NIGHTLORD40K
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Any of the later 15rnd, steel baseplate 92 mags will work in any 92- such as the very common and cheap Checkmate GI mags. But yes, the 17rnd Mec Gars with the plastic baseplate will not work with heel-latch guns.
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Beretta 92fs from PSA
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JTQ
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I'm not saying you're wrong, because I'm not enough of a "Beretta guy" to really know, but I believe Ernest Langdon describes the "F" and "S" differently.
.455_Hunter
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Big 92 fan here.
The plastic parts showed up in the early 00's. Barley used 90's guns with all metal parts are common around here for similar money, so I have never found the need to go with a new one.
My current inventory consists of an original 92 Brigadier, a 92 Centurion, a 92 SB Type M (single stack) and a recent Wilson 92 Compact will all metal factory parts that Cabelas stupidly under priced.
The plastic parts showed up in the early 00's. Barley used 90's guns with all metal parts are common around here for similar money, so I have never found the need to go with a new one.
My current inventory consists of an original 92 Brigadier, a 92 Centurion, a 92 SB Type M (single stack) and a recent Wilson 92 Compact will all metal factory parts that Cabelas stupidly under priced.
milemaker13
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I saw the Compact while browsing online. How do you like it vs the full size? I'm guessing it's smaller, lol, but what other differences are there?
Old Dog
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Excellent price for an excellent auto-pistol. Every firearms aficionado should own at least one ... Here's the link, deal ends midnight tonight:
http://palmettostatearmory.com/beretta-92fs-9mm-js92f300m.html
http://palmettostatearmory.com/beretta-92fs-9mm-js92f300m.html
Hardly an obsolete or irrelevant design. Most samples are more than acceptably accurate (and I'd certainly give the 92FS the nod with respect to initial accuracy and reliability over most CZ-75s out of the box). Triggers, yes, not great, but can be easily improved often with a simple spring change. Plastic parts not a concern. Can order the stainless steel guide rods from Midway, Brownell's, TGS, Hogue, Wolffe's ...
For those of us whose hands fit the platform (for me, the Beretta has perfect ergonomics and fits me like a glove), it's a fun pistol to shoot ... With the superb Mec-Gar 18-round flush-fit, anti-friction coated mags (27.95 at TGS last time I checked) or the Plus-2 20-rounders (31.95 at TGS), you've got capacity to match the size of the pistol.
My only issue with the 92 is the frame-mounted safety, which I use strictly as a de-cocker only.
Get one if you want; don't have a hankering for a particular piece and let others tell you to buy a CZ-75 instead ...
http://palmettostatearmory.com/beretta-92fs-9mm-js92f300m.html
http://palmettostatearmory.com/beretta-92fs-9mm-js92f300m.html
Hardly an obsolete or irrelevant design. Most samples are more than acceptably accurate (and I'd certainly give the 92FS the nod with respect to initial accuracy and reliability over most CZ-75s out of the box). Triggers, yes, not great, but can be easily improved often with a simple spring change. Plastic parts not a concern. Can order the stainless steel guide rods from Midway, Brownell's, TGS, Hogue, Wolffe's ...
For those of us whose hands fit the platform (for me, the Beretta has perfect ergonomics and fits me like a glove), it's a fun pistol to shoot ... With the superb Mec-Gar 18-round flush-fit, anti-friction coated mags (27.95 at TGS last time I checked) or the Plus-2 20-rounders (31.95 at TGS), you've got capacity to match the size of the pistol.
My only issue with the 92 is the frame-mounted safety, which I use strictly as a de-cocker only.
Get one if you want; don't have a hankering for a particular piece and let others tell you to buy a CZ-75 instead ...
milemaker13
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Sorry for my ignorance here, but can you tell me more? Is it a back strap safety? A locking mechanism like taurus puts on their guns?
Is this a feature I want?
NIGHTLORD40K
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No worries, mate.
Berettas nomenclature is very convoluted, the S,SB,F(SB-F), and FS share overlapping features and these are sometimes not model specific. Don't even get me started on the Vertec and single stack Type M, SB-M, D, DS, G.....you get the idea......
But all are very good pistols.
I'm on my 4th now, after a factory nickel S, M9, and a Type M...someday would love to find a Billenium!
Berettas nomenclature is very convoluted, the S,SB,F(SB-F), and FS share overlapping features and these are sometimes not model specific. Don't even get me started on the Vertec and single stack Type M, SB-M, D, DS, G.....you get the idea......
But all are very good pistols.
I'm on my 4th now, after a factory nickel S, M9, and a Type M...someday would love to find a Billenium!
Old Dog
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There's no security lock on the backstrap of the current M 92FS pistols.
My last post was incorrect. PSA's sale on the 92FS pistols goes til midnight tomorrow, not tonight ...
As an aside, you know a platform is worthy if Bill Wilson puts his own stamp on it ... The Wilson Combat Berettas are splendid.
I was describing what Taurus didn't include with my PT92. Old Dog is correct when he says there isn't a "locking mechanism like taurus puts on their guns" on a Beretta 92.
It's not a feature I would want. But if you have children, and are in the habit of leaving your guns lying around the house, it might suit you. You won't find it on the Beretta, though.
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milemaker13
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I am familiar with the Taurus style lock. I don't care for it. Not needed since I'm not in the habit of leaving things laying around.
I didn't know what was being described since I couldn't find any referance to any such lock on the 92.
Thank you for clarifying.
Also, the sale at PSA was til tonight, looks like they extended it.
I didn't know what was being described since I couldn't find any referance to any such lock on the 92.
Thank you for clarifying.
Also, the sale at PSA was til tonight, looks like they extended it.
.455_Hunter
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Still a "full size" gun, but smaller than normal 92 in grip and barrel lengths. Uses 13 rd mags, but can shoot standard mags, if necessary. My Wilson has all the bells and whistles, and is one of my goto guns for carry in an environment of heightened concern.
bsms
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I have small hands and I like mine. The indentation helps compared to the gun I used in the military 10 years ago. Not fond of it DA, but it is OK. Mine has a nice SA trigger - and it is easy to reach. Mine is the compact. It is roughly 8" long. Height is 5.0 inches except for the 0.25 pinkie extension. The barrel is 1 1/8 inch wide - 1.1". Grip is 1 3/8" wide (1.38). All measurements using my own ruler and aging eyes. So compared to a Bersa Thunder Pro UC, it is 1.5" longer, 0.25 inches taller, and slightly narrower. Compared to a CZ 75 PCR, it is 3/4" longer, same height, same width.
I've been looking at switching to a smaller gun, but I don't want to go too small. Other than length - which usually isn't a big deal for me - it seems comparable to a lot of double stacks. I've concluded if I want to go significantly smaller, I need to go to a single stack. No problems hiding the barrel and the grip really isn't any bigger than a lot of others. I suspect it is the longer trigger reach in DA that gives it a bad reputation. That, and the weight of a metal gun.
Do I carry it often? No. Usually go with a steel J-frame in 357 backed up by an LCR. One on each hip under a loose shirt. Balances things out, gives me 12 rounds total, including an excellent belly gun option. But...I shoot the Beretta well (for me). Sucks in the belly gun role, but not bad for an active shooter defense. Might start taking it to church. All in my largely uneducated opinion. No claims to expertise here.
I've been looking at switching to a smaller gun, but I don't want to go too small. Other than length - which usually isn't a big deal for me - it seems comparable to a lot of double stacks. I've concluded if I want to go significantly smaller, I need to go to a single stack. No problems hiding the barrel and the grip really isn't any bigger than a lot of others. I suspect it is the longer trigger reach in DA that gives it a bad reputation. That, and the weight of a metal gun.
Do I carry it often? No. Usually go with a steel J-frame in 357 backed up by an LCR. One on each hip under a loose shirt. Balances things out, gives me 12 rounds total, including an excellent belly gun option. But...I shoot the Beretta well (for me). Sucks in the belly gun role, but not bad for an active shooter defense. Might start taking it to church. All in my largely uneducated opinion. No claims to expertise here.
JTQ
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The biggest difference is the Compact doesn't have a dovetailed front sight.
Note, Wilson now has the Centurian Tactical that has the full size frame and a 4.25" barrel. It does have the dovetailed front sight.
Speedo66
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SOG only sells non C&R guns to dealers, so you'd have to have your LGS order it for you.
maxxhavoc
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Ah, that is more attractive then. I had heard that new Beretta mags work on both, but Military magazines would NOT work. And military mags are cheap. I did not remember seeing the base notch on them:
NIGHTLORD40K
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Hmm, you got me thinking, so I checked my stash of 92 mags. None of my 17rnd Mec Gars had the lower notch.
One stainless MecGar 15rnd had both notches. One Checkmate dated 3/91 had both notches. Two Checkmates from '97 only had the upper notch. My lone Promag had both.
A little judicious shopping may be called for, then- worst case, nothing that cannot be solved with a Dremel.
Rubber_Duck
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Just get one OP, everybody should have one in their collection.
milemaker13
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Sale extended another day, till midnight 11/15.
MachIVshooter
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They've been at this price since Sept, one 3-day sale after another. I'm sure they'll run out eventually, but the 92 has fallen out of the mainstream and hollyweird. Everyone's busy buying the latest plastic fantastics.
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milemaker13
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Yep, the old man got his after we saw it in lethal weapon.
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As a CZ fan, and a guy who doesn't have the largest hands in the world, I have to say that I don't mind the Berettas at all. I have a 92FS, used from 1994, LAPD surplus. All metal parts, gun shoots fine, very comfortable actually.
I will say that it came with the Hogue wraparound, which felt good but I thought was very ugly. So I got a set of Hogue rubber panels, these also feel good. I think the rubber has a little give, makes it slightly less bulky to hold.
I also put factory rubber grips on my CZ, visually identical but much more comfortable than the plastic. As an aside, I picked up an old W German P226 earlier this year, and put some Uncle Mike's rubber grips on it... again it looks the same, but feels better to me.
So- don't write the gun off if it seems too bulky, without at least looking into grip options.
I will say that it came with the Hogue wraparound, which felt good but I thought was very ugly. So I got a set of Hogue rubber panels, these also feel good. I think the rubber has a little give, makes it slightly less bulky to hold.
I also put factory rubber grips on my CZ, visually identical but much more comfortable than the plastic. As an aside, I picked up an old W German P226 earlier this year, and put some Uncle Mike's rubber grips on it... again it looks the same, but feels better to me.
So- don't write the gun off if it seems too bulky, without at least looking into grip options.
lsudave
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As a CZ fan, and a guy who doesn't have the largest hands in the world, I have to say that I don't mind the Berettas at all. I have a 92FS, used from 1994, LAPD surplus. All metal parts, gun shoots fine, very comfortable actually.
I will say that it came with the Hogue wraparound, which felt good but I thought was very ugly. So I got a set of Hogue rubber panels, these also feel good. I think the rubber has a little give, makes it slightly less bulky to hold.
I also put factory rubber grips on my CZ, visually identical but much more comfortable than the plastic. As an aside, I picked up an old W German P226 earlier this year, and put some Uncle Mike's rubber grips on it... again it looks the same, but feels better to me.
So- don't write the gun off if it seems too bulky, without at least looking into grip options.
I will say that it came with the Hogue wraparound, which felt good but I thought was very ugly. So I got a set of Hogue rubber panels, these also feel good. I think the rubber has a little give, makes it slightly less bulky to hold.
I also put factory rubber grips on my CZ, visually identical but much more comfortable than the plastic. As an aside, I picked up an old W German P226 earlier this year, and put some Uncle Mike's rubber grips on it... again it looks the same, but feels better to me.
So- don't write the gun off if it seems too bulky, without at least looking into grip options.
Stringfellow
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I agree with Rubber_Duck - everyone should have one.
The plastic COATED parts are easily replaced if they bother you enough. I assumed my plastic guide rod would bother me, but it never bothered me enough to replace it (or notice for that matter).
Get the D-spring upgrade - the best $12 you will ever spend. There is something about Beretta's greased-glass action - no other pistol that I have ever felt has an action so slick (Beretta's Stoeger Cougar came close).
I love CZ, but sold my CZ75 and still own by 92FS FWIW...
The plastic COATED parts are easily replaced if they bother you enough. I assumed my plastic guide rod would bother me, but it never bothered me enough to replace it (or notice for that matter).
Get the D-spring upgrade - the best $12 you will ever spend. There is something about Beretta's greased-glass action - no other pistol that I have ever felt has an action so slick (Beretta's Stoeger Cougar came close).
I love CZ, but sold my CZ75 and still own by 92FS FWIW...
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