Beretta CX-4 Storm

[jame]

(Here we go again...........)

I've had a Storm, I have an AR. As I stated in my previous staements, the Storm serves it's purpose just fine, and I miss it terribly. I will own another. Soon. I've had to pass up shots at feral animals and downed deer because, where I live the AR can be "to much". Too loud, too far, too powerful, depending on the situation. I'll be buying another Storm.

Last fall, when the fields were open, the Storm was "not enough". Not enough reach, not enough power. I'm glad I have my AR.





Fortunately, in my state, I'm allowed to own more than one rifle.
I feel sorry for those that can only own one.

(Sarcasm, fellas.....it's sarcasm....)

 

[Dbl0Kevin]

I must admit that even though I do own a Storm I find myself thinking more and more along the lines of 355sigfan. When it comes down to grabbing either my M4 or my Storm from the safe as a home defense gun I really have a hard time picking up the Storm.

The only advantages that I can see for the Storm is the fact that it is lighter, shorter, and can carry a higher ammo load for the same weight. While the lighter and shorter aspect can be good for indoor use, the ammo load really does not help unless you're going on a long term mission or the like.

The AR on the other hand has less recoil, less prone to overpenetration through numerous walls, yet has the ability to punch through armor if needed, plus it's only about 4 inches longer than the Storm and still very manueverable indoors.

So while I got the Storm for the "cool factor" and cause I wanted a pistol caliber carbine for my collection, I too am having a hard time justifying just when I'd actually prefer it over my M4.

 

[jame]

Dbl0Kevin, kindly check your mail....

 

[355sigfan]

I will own another. Soon. I've had to pass up shots at feral animals and downed deer because, where I live the AR can be "to much". Too loud, too far, too powerful, depending on the situation
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You lost me here. Too loud and too powerfull. As was stated the 223 has less penetration risks than the storm. I admit its louder but firing a gun even a 9mm storm will get an equal amount of attention. Your either justified and legal or not. What it sounds like you may need is a suppressed firearm if noise is an issue. Where do you live? Maybe I am missing something but I am not understanding your point.
Pat

 

[natedog]

I'm pretty sure the 5.56mm and 9mm weigh the same. The 5.56mm has more powder and a larger case, but the 9mm has a heavier bullet. I can't provide my source, sorry, can't find it.

 

[ROAshooter]

CX4

Every time this topic comes up on this board...I am at a loss for the hatred for this gun......and we all know who I am talking about.
I can only speak for myself.......but my shooting is for pleasure-sport..and the Storm does it quite well.
Sooooooo in saying "if ya cant beat them join them"....I wish to say..since the ergonomics of the glock series of handguns....is so bizarre...the geometry so unexceptable......."I hate them"
Has nothing to do with the fact that they are without doubt...one of the worlds finest automatics....used by more lawenforcement agencies around the world.than any other type of handgun.."I still hate them"
Goes without saying..Glocks are well made...reliable....in many configurations..calibers....many to fullfill the wants and desires of the masses.......since the shape bothers me......."I hate them"
And since my opinion on this board means squat.......I can honestly say.......If you dont respect my opinion.....YOUR ALL WRONG!!!!!

lmao.....those of us who enjoy the CX4 Storm.do enjoy them.even if the are worthless to those of "YOU" who know better....
Thank you for letting me rant."END of Quote"

 

[jame]

"You lost me here. Too loud and too powerfull. As was stated the 223 has less penetration risks than the storm. I admit its louder but firing a gun even a 9mm storm will get an equal amount of attention. Your either justified and legal or not. What it sounds like you may need is a suppressed firearm if noise is an issue. Where do you live? Maybe I am missing something but I am not understanding your point.
Pat"

I guess I can understand your confusion with me if you have no reason to know my environment, as I havn't fully explained. I'll try the best I can:
I live in a very heavily populated rural environment. Close enough that the shot from a .223 at night to legally dispatch road wounded deer will awaken, if not upset the neighbors. Loud gunshots at night are not the most relaxing things.
As far as the penetration issue goes, it's not about penetration, as much as it is trajectory. A 9mm bullet fired horizontally from the shoulder will drop a lot faster than the .223. 5000 ft from a .223 may be dificult, but not impossible. A 9mm may not be impossible, but it's pretty close to impossible. But that won't do when the fields are open and coyotes are sunning on the snow capped terraces and shots are slowly and deliberately taken.
Does that help?

 

[ROAshooter]

cx4

And it comes to mind....the "Glock" had its share or doubters....."only real guns are made of steel..give a 1911-bhp any day of the week"....was the cry years a go........."who wants a girlyman plastic pistol with a wrong shaped grip with no manual saftey"..........so if for no other reason.if those who choose to "hate" the cx4....then I must "HATE" the glock......seems so dumb doesnt it?????

 

[jem375]

why not just buy a crossbow, that is really quiet.....Pat, don't try to think along his lines, all of a sudden the 9MM makes no noise at all but the 223 does.....

 

[jame]

I shoot an AK shorty, jem. Ever done any range time next to one?


Try again.

Editted to add:

I think I need to remind some short memory folks that in my state I'm allowed to own more than one rifle. It's really kinda nice.

 

[jem375]

yes I have been close to shortys at the range...have an AK and 2 SKS's...maybe you should try to sit next to my 375JDJ or Savage Striker in 308 when they go off with the short barrels and muzzle breaks, guaranteed to put the shorty AK to shame....

 

[jame]

I thought that the comparison was between the 9mm Storm and a Bushy AK shorty. How is a 375JDL relevant to this conversation? I understood it to be a conversation about the merits and deficiencies of the Storm.

Not "Which rifle is the loudest?"

Again?

 

[355sigfan]

And it comes to mind....the "Glock" had its share or doubters....."only real guns are made of steel..give a 1911-bhp any day of the week"....was the cry years a go........."who wants a girlyman plastic pistol with a wrong shaped grip with no manual saftey"..........so if for no other reason.if those who choose to "hate" the cx4....then I must "HATE" the glock......seems so dumb doesnt it?????

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This does not really make sence. You can hate a particular pistol like the said glock without hating the weapon class. I am sure your not saying you hate handguns. I am saying I hate the concept. I have no opinion on the Storm itself. It may be a fine pistol caliber carbine. I am sure its a good gun. Beretta made it. Their a good company. I just don't agree with the concept.

Jame I respect you but I don't agree with your reasoning. The fact that a 223 carries further in open air should be of little concern if your following the 4 safety rules. The last one about being aware of your target as well as the surrondings and beyond. You should not take a shot your likely to miss. You should always take shots where you have a good back stop. That 9mm bullet may not go as far as a 223 but it will carry a lot farther than most people realize.

As far as noise. I also disagree. If your justified in shooting the report between a 9mm and a 223 is not going to matter. At least I can't think of a situation where it would matter. There is a gun range about 2 miles from my home I can hear rifles/handguns and shotguns being fired. I can t see how one report is more offensive than another.

But in the end were all adults and as you said you can own as many rifles as you want. ( although the storm is not a rifle, its a pistol caliber carbine)

Enjoy your guns. I will enjoy mine. I did not mean to flame anyone here.
Take care and stay safe.
Pat

 

[ROAshooter]

cx4

Pat you finally get it...........it makes no "sence"...since the point of the post of "hating" the glock was sarcasum directed at YOU for your constant degradation of firearms others on this board enjoy shooting. I dont "hate" glocks....man get a grip....I respect everyones right to own-shoot-enjoy any type of firearm...END QUOTE

And to add...yes everyone is entitled to have an opinon....about a particular firearm....or "class" of firearms........

 

[PBIR]

It's funny...there is a thread going on at this very forum about "gun snobbery" with all sorts chiming in about how wrong it is. And then you read a thread like this where people are engaging in the very same thing here at The High Road. Particularly with a few brands that 99% of people who actually own one love. What is this BS?

 

[MP5]

The only advantages that I can see for the Storm is the fact that it is lighter, shorter, and can carry a higher ammo load for the same weight.

One more: where I live in a fairly dense urban/suburban area, the only practical places to shoot locally are indoor ranges, and most of them only allow weapons that fire pistol-caliber ammo. So, when it comes to getting in practice time here, a Storm would be vastly preferable to a rifle-caliber weapon.

 

[jame]

Thanks, Pat.

Goodwill to you as well.

 

[Dbl0Kevin]

One more: where I live in a fairly dense urban/suburban area, the only practical places to shoot locally are indoor ranges, and most of them only allow weapons that fire pistol-caliber ammo. So, when it comes to getting in practice time here, a Storm would be vastly preferable to a rifle-caliber weapon.

The indoor range by me lets all pistol and rifle calibers be shot. I've shot my AR-15 there before and while I was there someone was poppin off with an M1 Garand. Talk about givin me a headache!!!

 

[355sigfan]

Pat you finally get it...........it makes no "sence"...since the point of the post of "hating" the glock was sarcasum directed at YOU for your constant degradation of firearms others on this board enjoy shooting. I dont "hate" glocks....man get a grip....I respect everyones right to own-shoot-enjoy any type of firearm...END QUOTE

And to add...yes everyone is entitled to have an opinon....about a particular firearm....or "class" of firearms........
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I always understood your argument. I just simply disagree with it. I also understood your post about glocks. I don't think you understood my argument, because you did not respond to any single point I made.

If your offended by my opinions of certain firearms you own and enjoy I am sorry. But I thought this board was here to share our thoughts and experiences in an open and honest fashion. As for getting a grip I am pretty sure I have solid one. I don't like pistol caliber carbines as a class for reasons listed earlier in the thread. Its not a subjective standard like you applied in your little hypothetical on Glocks. It was an objective standard applied to all pistol caliber carbines as a whole. Do you care to argue those points? Or are you simply going to be upset and pout that I said bad things about your faviorate gun. We should be able to agree to disagree without peoples feelings getting hurt. Me and Jame disagree yet we stayed civil. Thats how these threads should be. Stay safe and enjoy what ever guns you like.
Pat

 

[jem375]

well actually Jame, they are both pistols with 14-15" barrels.....since the 7.62x39MM is actually not as powerful as a 30-30, I was kind of wondering where you were going with the noise situation you mentioned earlier..

 

[P95Carry]

I was not sure for a long time re the look ... seemed ''wierd'' .. however having tried one I changed my mind ... because once ''in hand'' the ergonomics take over and - it is a pleasure to shoot.

Had one a while now and .. like it a lot ... tho my Camp 9 is still a fun piece. The CX-4 is tho very totable and light weight .. a gun I could imagine having along when rambling, camping etc. Rather over priced IMO but - not sorry i got one.

Since the pic - I have taken off the 40mm POS red dot and replaced it with a half ways adequate Bushnell ''Trophy'' red dot .. much better!

 

[ROAshooter]

cx4

Pat..responding to your "points"...is pointless.....thus a waste of time......
since you do go to great lengths to explain to everyone on this board your opinons.......and how much you will disagree with others

 

[goon]

I don't own a Storm but I did get to shoot on at a local range. I found it to be a cool little rifle that would be well suited to plinking, home defense, and teaching new shooters. I also think that it uses standard M-92 magazines which is anothe point if you already have the handgun and the mags. I did have problems shooting it offhand because it was just too light for me but that is just a preference thing. I need a little weight to steady my aim.
Anyhow, I have nothing against it. In a world where finances were not a concern I would have one. But alas, I live in a world where my guns have to do more than just one thing so I have to stick with my rifle calibers.
But if one serves your purpose, have at it. See you at the range. I'll spot you a 20 rounder from my FAL if you spot me a mag for your Storm.

 

[jame]

"well actually Jame, they are both pistols with 14-15" barrels.....since the 7.62x39MM is actually not as powerful as a 30-30, I was kind of wondering where you were going with the noise situation you mentioned earlier.."

You're losing me here.........

The Bushmaster AK Shorty is a .223; 14.5" barrel with an AK style muzzle brake. Where do you get 7.62x39???

 

[355sigfan]

cx4
Pat..responding to your "points"...is pointless.....thus a waste of time......
since you do go to great lengths to explain to everyone on this board your opinons.......and how much you will disagree with others

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Well actually its only pointless if you have no way to defend your position. The only thing pointless was your post. All it did was attack me for no apparant reason. You have no points of your own at least you did not post them. I love to engage in good debates with people because it allows both parties to learn something. But its hard to learn when someone gets touchy and emotional. Lighten up and enjoy life.
Pat