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Beretta M1951 magazine

Discussion in 'Gunsmithing and Repairs' started by Larryk19D, Jul 27, 2020.

  1. Larryk19D

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    So, like many, I recently picked up a surplus Beretta M1951. Lots of cosmoline on this old girl so lots of disassembly and cleaning. Easy to find info on the pistol not so on the magazine. If anybody can explain magazine disassembly or point me in the right direction for that info I'd appreciate it. Thanks in advance, Larry
     
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    Push up on the little circular nub (retaining plate) at the bottom with a punch/screwdriver, then push the baseplate forward.

    Be prepared to catch the spring and retaining plate as they are under a little pressure. Note spring orientation and which side the retaining plate hooks onto for reassembley. Might be helpful to make a drawing for later reference.
     
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    Thank you very much, I was wondering if it came apart something like that. I always take pics because I can never remember. Thanks for the info
     
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    20 minutes, a little Hoppe's No. 9 and it's a brand new mag. The pistol cleaned up really nice can't wait to get to shoot this. Pristine barrel.
     
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    Ya I had one years ago and loved it. You might consider getting a spare locking block. We had a THR member who had some fabricated awhile back and was selling them....lemme see if I can find the link.
     
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    I replaced the locking block in mine (Helwan) years ago, and I got some extra mags from Mec Gar (I believe?). It's fun to break out and shoot once in a while.

    Stay safe.
     
  10. Larryk19D

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    What is the issue with the locking block? I plan on this being a trainer for my wife, soft reloads to get her shooting more.
     
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    The early locking blocks I believe were not made as well as the rest of the gun. The newer ones should work alright. Over at DK Firearms, they have some 1975 dated alloy framed pistols for around $275 with improved locking blocks. I am thinking one of those for myself actually.
     
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    On high-mileage Berettas, the locking block can shear off one of its lugs, rendering the gun inoperable. Not really a safety issue, though, at least as far as causing shrapnel damage to the shooter or anything like that.

    Its actually pretty rare with the M51, but was all too common on the early M92s. The M92 locking blocks underwent at least 3 revisions to mitigate the problem and replacement parts are common for those, but unfortunately dont fit the 51.

    Now, the Egyptian Helwan copies of the M51 used softer materials (or had improper heat treating) resulting in more block failures.

    I would inspect (and grease) the block once in awhile, say every 500 rounds or so, but wouldnt worry about it too much on a training/range pistol. Still, a spare would be nice to have if it could be found.

    Improved for the M51? Ive never heard of such a thing.....do you have a link?
     
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    I know that the M9/92 locking blocks are wider than the M1951 locking blocks, but I wonder if they might be otherwise dimensionally the same or close enough that you could modify it to fit. I had meant to check that when I had access to a 1951, but other things took precident at the time. It would take some careful measurements to prove/disprove, but might be worthwhile for someone with more time on their hands and a need for an otherwise unobtainable part.
     
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    Not sure how to send a link, but on the DK Firearms web page, under Surplus, they have a long write up of the alloy framed Beretta M1951, along with the "improved" locking block. I believe its thicker steel, but what do I know.
     
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    This pistol almost seems like a storage queen. A bit of pitting and surface rust on the exposed surfaces, but stripped she looks much better. Barrel looks unfired. DK has locking lugs, I've got a couple of Garands, I know the value of spare parts on hand. Thanks
     
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    Very interesting. I would speculate that these were retrofitted at an Italian armory after the guns had been in service for some time, since the M92s had not yet begun to break in 1975-76.

    In any event, Im sure anyone with a M51 Beretta will be happy with their gun. I had one years ago and loved it (it was stolen...:cuss:). I would get another, but Im awash in 9mm pistols these days and need more ammo rather than another gun.:)
     
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    So this might be staying off topic but I've been trying to date this pistol and the only two stamps aren't making much sense. Wouldn't the second letter being an "M" be passed the production run? Just a bit confusing. IMG_20200729_201204.jpg
     

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