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Beretta Storm

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by slacker142, Dec 26, 2008.

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  1. slacker142

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    Ive been looking at the Beretta Storm series of rifles, I like the look of them and a lot of Police Agencies seem to be supporting them so I guess they are reliable.


    As for personal use I think the Cx4 .40 is the most appealing to me.

    Anyone have some advice or experience regarding these guns?
     
  2. Rubber_Duck

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    They are quality guns, reliable and well made (it IS a Beretta afterall).

    That said, there are many that feel the Hi Point carbine is just as good for much less money. I tend to agree.

    ATI makes an aftermarket stock for the 9mm HiPoint carbine that resembles the Beretta Cx4. If you really like the looks of the Beretta carbine, then why not buy the HiPoint and drop it into an ATI stock? Just an idea....
     
  3. mnrivrat

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    Not a bad gun and we have a 9mm and a .45 in the family. They are built well for the most part but are expensive for what they are. And the accessories are priced far higher than they should be.

    The forward sliding rail at the front of the stock is not well designed , and for me, the stock does not fit well. A good deal of plastic in the inner mechanizism so I do not know how durable they are in the long haul.

    My opinion is they are too expensive , but seem reliable from the early results at any rate.
     
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    I do not believe the .40 HiPoint fits the ATI stock.
     
  5. bonedust

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    ive personally seen 2 of the Hi-Point carbines blow up in peoples hands at our range. i do a fair bit of gun work/repair/smithing, and i think its one of the most under engineered, sloppy, and most dangerous guns ive ever laid my hands on. i wont work on them.

    ive had a 9mm and 40cal Storm since their release. both have upwards of 10k rounds thru them (probably closer to 20k thru my 9mm). its a very sold well build gun. it does have more plastic than id like inside, but its a hard issue to argue when i look at the performance and reliability of the weapon. Expensive? i dont really feel they are that expensive. Of the hundred or so guns i own, its one of the few i take out regularly. its easy to weild, fun to shoot, extremely accurate (with an EOTech on board or the OEM irons), and easy to break down and clean. i regularly out-shoot guys with high end pistol caliber AR builds at our outdoor facility. while it may seem expensive at face value, when you consider the level it performs at, it becomes a bargin quickly.
     
  6. lipadj46

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    Well that is the first I've heard of a Hi Point Carbine going boom I would like to hear more details. They are cheap but honestly I think they are safe as any other rifle and if they were unsafe I would expect to hear more as there are so many around (them being cheap and all). I've seen more evidence (pictures and videos online) of garands, M14s and ARs going boom. Most firearm kabooms are caused by bad ammo or some dumb a$$ doing something stupid in my limited experience.
     
  7. slacker142

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    Great input, it sounds like this will be the rifle for me thanks.
     
  8. bonedust

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    there is more evidence of garands, M14's, and AR's going boom because there are ALOT more of them. And yes, a guy who is buying a $200 carbine, in general, IS going to buy cheap/bad ammo. I see 50-200 live fire weapon demonstrations almost ever day of my life. ive seen every kind of gun fail. Normally we can find the downfall and point people in a better direction, be it ammo, cleaning practices, and in the rare case - weapon quality. We are trained, educated, and experienced gunsmiths and custom weapon builders.

    i guess the big question is how does HP manage to make the gun so inexpensively? Smaller name campany, fewer bells and whistles, and lower finish quality? in part, yes. Lower quality materials, lower tolerances, less quality control, and less engineering time? clearly.

    im not here calling them trash for no reason. im here telling my first hand experience. just my 2 cents...
     
  9. lipadj46

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    Well I will have to keep trying to make mine go boom then :) I know there are many other better quality carbines out there (pretty much every other one I would guess). But for $175 I just can't fault it too much. If it exploded after near continuous fire with 5000 rounds of aluminum cased ammo I guess it would not suprise me but I'm not sure the CX4 could do better in that case. I do own an M14 clone so I am not just a cheap SOB I just think that the CX4's at the prices they are selling at now (~$600) compared to the Hi Point 995 at $175 it is a tough sell as they are both really only suited to plinking around or maybe as a HD carbine for someone that does not own a pistol.

    On the Hi Point kabooms I'm not saying you are lying but you said you have personally seen 2. What were the causes? I would like to know so I do not repeat that mistake even though the Hi Points have a no questions asked Lifetime transferrable warranty. Oh yeah forgot to mention that what other sub-$200 carbine can say that?
     
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    I'm interested in hearing why the Hi-Points when BLAMO. I would venture to guess bad ammunition and poor maintenance were the culprits behind that.

    <Insert obligatory glock-nade comment here>
     
  11. bonedust

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    neither one of the guns were sold by or serviced by my store, so its not like i took hours to CSI the situation. I merely made sure everyone was unharmed, took a few minutes to survey the damage, and recommended contacting the mfg.

    diagnosing disasers after the fact isnt always easy. one of the failures was a mid barrel expansion. why did it do that? well, like i said, without in process high speed footage the real reason is tought to say. that said, at first i asked the guy why the heck he was shooting 9mm out of a 40cal?!? he said 'im not'. the case support at the load end of the barrel was SO sloppy, i honestly cant believe the gun fed, fired, or ejected. brand new gun...not even 50 rounds fired. my guess? sloppy fit made a round tumble and stick, then a second round did the real damage. the barrel was clear when i inspected the gun.

    the second weapon was a much worse issue. there wasnt even enough of the effected area to make a call. He was shooting OEM PMC bronze. the round exploded in the camber and appeared to go backwards. the guy got very luck not to be more hurt than he was. some burns and light knicks and scratches. if you saw the gun before the hand, you would have guessed he lost his hand. a lifetime transferable warranty will not replace a hand.

    again, im not here to criticize anyone elses experience. im not here to slander the weapon. im not here to tell you not to buy the gun if you feel its what you want. i have a very simple motto when buying a gun: Would i trust my life to this weapon? I realize not everyone buys a gun with tactical scenarios in mind, but if we knew when and were we would need that protection...we would simply not go there.

    i hope and pray nobody has similar experiences. If these were widely repeated results, Hi Point would NOT be in buisness.
     
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    If you have facial whiskers, the Storm will pluck them right off your face!

    I love mine, but covered the stock to keep it from denuding my right cheek and especially my right upper lip.

    30K+ through mine.
     
  13. lipadj46

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    Ha, funny the Hi Point stocks do that too.
     
  14. bonedust

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    so does my Vltor AR stock!
     
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    Another option to consider is the Kel-Tec SUB-2000, it comes in 9mm or .40S&W and the price is a lot more reasonable. They take common pistol magazines, depending on what model you get you can have beretta or S&W or glock or SIG mags.

    9mm : Glock 17, Glock 19, S&W 59, Beretta 92, SIG 226
    .40 Cal : Glock 22, S&W 4006, Beretta 96, SIG 226

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    And it folds in half for compact storage, as if it wasn't tiny enough. I've got the glock 17 model and I love it, I've never had a FTF or jam of any kind and its been through dirt, snow, sand and mud. I paid $250 used and I'm very happy with it.
     
  16. lipadj46

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    Yeah the Kel Tec is next on my list. Unfortunately they are pretty hard to find right now and I refuse to overpay for something that will eventually be available.
     
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    the Kel-tecs are out there used, but they have not shipped any from the factory in over a year. i know, ive had them on order.
     
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    Don't be afraid of picking up a used SUB-2000 either, kel-tec honors their lifetime warranty even if you aren't the first owner. Though officially its only for the first owner. I've only had to use it once when I broke the rear sight while I was trying to modify it, my own shaky hands to blame and they still sent me a new rear sight and the metal tube it rides on free of charge.
     
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    ive got a beretta CX4 in 9mm and love it, great gun thats handy in size, light on recoil and very accurate with every load that i have tried
     
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    I love my 9mm CX4. I bought it new(serial #0006XX) when they first came out. I have close to 2000rds through it with out a single hiccup. It loves the Speer 90gr. realods i make for it. I use ~7.0grains of Power Pistol powder and it makes them fly at ~1700fps. Ive shot many ground squirrels close to 80yds using open sights. Im glad i have it.
     
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    I have a Cx4 in .40 and a 995. I'm not knocking the 995, but the Cx4 is simply a better made gun. The only aspect where the 995 beats the Cx4 is MSRP.

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    The factory safety on the 995 sucks. And it sucks bad. In a SD/HD situation, I want a safety that is easier to use.
     
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    my dad has one in 9mm, that he got when i suggest him to. they are alot of fun to shoot and all around neat guns. I would go with the 9mm as ammo would be cheaper, i wouldn't use it for home defense so it would be purely a "fun" gun, something that i would shot at the range.
     
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    i wanted to get the beretta in .45 ACP when they first came out, but the magazine costs scared me away.

    my $.02....

    gunnie
     
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    The Storm has a confusing mix of magazine conversion details. But it allows you to use Beretta pistol magazines from any of 3 pistols in 40cal/9mm depending on what CX-4 Storm you get.

    In my case, to go from a PX-4 magazine to a 92 magazine required a new mag release button and an insert for the magazine well. The button is available through the Beretta website. Some aftermarket sellers have the insert.

    Chose carefully.
     
  25. lipadj46

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    and warranty, the 995 warranty is hard to beat.

    Yes it is dismal. I've heard some people put some heat shrink tubing on it and that improved it a bit by actually giving you a little thickness to push on. I think I am going to fiddle with mine a bit.
     
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