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Beretta VS Taurus

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by George Hill, May 3, 2003.

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  1. George Hill

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    I went to a local shop that had a not very used Taurus in the case. With permision I examined it side by side with my Beretta.
    Very similar guns indeed... but there are differences.
    I like the Tauri's frame mounted safety. Up is Safe, down to go... down further to decock. Good system. The gun felt every bit as solid as my Beretta... similar weight as well.
    The Tauri wasn't as smooth as my 92... but then again, this gun was only 300 bucks, and Berettas are generally a lot more jingle.
    The question would be, if your in the market for a full sized 9mm, which one would you go for?
    Spend the extra for the Beretta, save the coin for a good holster and get the Taurus?
     
  2. TheLastBoyScout

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    Cause I'm a perpetually semi-broke student, I'd grab the Taurus and use whatever extra "gun money" I had for a few extra magazines and ammo. But thats because carry will not be an issue for me for another 5 years or so, so I could care less about a holster.
     
  3. cratz2

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    I grew up with 1911s and after using a Beretta for a few months, I traded it in for a Rossi 357 Magnum and a Taurus PT99AF. Traded the Rossi in again later. :uhoh:

    I have almost nothing but praise for the Taurus. I spent an intensive spring and summer with an ex Marine using mine. I know there's 15,000 rounds through it but I bought it before I started keeping track... My guess is just over 18,000 total. It's been 100% reliable - not a single failure ever! Can't get much better than that. Mostly Winchester and S&B ball ammo but it's seen it's share of 115 Gr +P CorBons and 124 +P Gold Dots. And the odds and ends GoldenSabers, Rangers, HydraShoks etc... I've replaced the springs a couple times and changed the locking block kit because I had some cash and read about how the Beretta locking block is prone to failure. But again, it never failed and nothing ever broke.

    The triggers can be rough and the slide doesn't work as smoothly on my Taurus at least... about half the finish is missing from the high points of the slide rails on the frame. If you're the type to tinker, a little polishing on the slide would probably work wonders.

    Finish has held up well too. Coated in a bit of FP10, it almost looks new... trust me, it isn't perfect. The other side's worse. I was using a Fobus paddle holster and it fit against the left side more firmly than the right.

    I give it thumbs up as high as possible! I got a great deal on mine and didn't have much of a choice, but if I had it to do over, I'd absolutely get fixed sights.

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  4. Mark IV Series 80

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    Hello George,

    I have examined and fired both guns.

    The Beretta had better fit and finish. The Taurus had some sharp edges. I did not care for the laser engraving.

    The trigger on the Beretta was better..... and I could shoot the Beretta more accurately.

    If I were carrying either pistol concealed, I would leave the safety off.

    I have heard it said that if you were under stress with the Taurus, you may push the safety all the way down to decock, when you only wanted to push the safety into the "fire" position.
    I still think that this safety is better than the "flip-up-to-fire" system on the Beretta.

    There are more Beretta magazines available, and police or soldiers may be able to provide you with some extras in an emergency. Spare parts may similarly be more available with the Beretta. I don't know which (if any) parts will interchange.

    Even with the $200-$300 price difference, I would go with the Beretta. If you already have a Beretta, that is a good reason to get another..... the magazine and parts commonality and the same handling characteristics.
     
  5. Tacblack

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    I did the same thing my first gun was a PT92, I got it for less money and to see if I like this whole shooting thing.
    Years later the only Beretta I want is a competion model with the frame mounted safty. Mine is a lock and cock only.

    I can one up ya cratz2 my Taurus has close to 25000 through it. The firing pin flash hole in eroding away a little. But like you said I have feed it everything I can think of and never had a problem with it.
     
  6. faustulus

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    Tac is lying I know for a fact the locking block broke after only 24,500 rounds and his trigger is getting loose. Fess up tac you know that Taurus is getting long in the tooth :)
     
  7. Tacblack

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    You just want all my high cap mags

    Shes got another 10k left in her. And then I will just send it back to the Factory:D

    Did I mention a woman shot one mag through it and thats when I broke, think the gun was trying to warn me:what:
     
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  8. SodaPop

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    I have a couple friends that have owned a few Taurus 9mm and they thought they were reliable, but not as nice as the Beretta.

    There is just something lacking with the whole contour of the Taurus. I wish they didn't hi-lite the engraving with the white. It makes them look a little gaudy.

    The Beretta is a great gun, but Sig makes a better 9mm than Taurus. IMHO
     
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  9. 355sigfan

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    All the Taurus Autos I have shot save one have been jamamatics. Buyer beware. Get the Beretta.
    PAT
     
  10. buttrap

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    Really? that shocks me as the Taurus is made on Barreta tooling. Never had any jam problems with the ones I have owned.
     
  11. PakWaan

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    Carried my PT-92 for years, had thousands of rounds through it and never had a problem with it. I really liked that pistol.......
     
  12. Blueduck

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    Bought one years ago, not sure how many but it was $220 NIB on sale at WalMart and my mommie had to fill out the paperwork which might tell you something:eek:

    I never shot all that well with it and it ended up my dads gun to this day, still borrow it occasionallly. Never had a single malfunction of any any kind and it has never needed a part replaced. I've no doubt the Beretta's are a bit smoother and maybe most are a bit more accurate.

    One factor in the Beretta's favor these days is that the price difference between the two has shrunk considerably over the years.

    Frankly as well as my Taurus has behaved the Beretta 92FS is an important enough pistol for many reasons that I think I'd be happier in the long term to kick in an extra $100 or so to get the "real thing". 'Course if an excellent condition Taurus could be taken home for something silly like $230 or so I'd snap it up in a heartbeat.
     
  13. TonyB

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    I have a PT99...never jams,accurate as heck and I can go Cocked and locked.Mine's older and has no decocker.Only problem I had was the pin that holds the rear sight on would work it's way out after a few rounds.I took it to a gun smith and he fixed it.Cost me $329.
    That being said,if I could afford it I'd buy a Beretta.Nicer trigger and better finish.
    But if money's a concern you can't go wrong w/ a Taurus PT99 IMO.My Taurus was made in the old Beretta factiry in Brazil w/ the same machines as Beretta.I call it my poor man's Beretta.:D
     
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    Im gonna call BS on a couple of posts here....."Taurus guns jam"
    Uh huh...whatever. Taurus PT9* guns were initially made from Beretta's bar stock, on their machines with their tooling. BIG DIFFERENCE! :neener:
    The steel/metal framed Taurus auto's are very nice guns.
    Get 5 Beretta's and 5 Taurus guns and go shoot them. You will see a difference in the triggers...some like the Taurus better..some dont. Fit, finish, accuracy, dependability etc etc will be NO DIFFERENT!
    As far as the safeties are considered...the Taurus SMOKES the Beretta in every regard. You carry Cocked and Locked and sweep the safety down to "fire" the gun...just LIKE EVERY OTHER GOOD COND. 1 CAPABLE GUN MADE!. :what: You can carry hammer down, decock it......... whatever. And its on the frame...whats not to like?
    My Taurus autos have been as good as my Sigs, CZ's, Kahrs, S&W's and Kimber......and the triggers dont stack like a Beretta.
    Get whatever you want...just make you decision based on facts and what you think.........not this very entertaining thread.
    Shoot well
     
  15. TheLastBoyScout

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    Wait a sec I'm confused. When you guys talk about carrying cocked and locked, do you mean with the hammer back like on a 1911, with a single action first shot?
    Sorry, I'm new to the whole DA/SA thing, the only pistol I have experience with is a glock.
     
  16. PCRCCW

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    Yes.....Taurus safety design lets you do any damn thing you want with the gun....
    Cond 1 / SA first shot with safety ON!
    Cond 2/ Hammer down/round chambered....
    Cond 3, 4 and so on...who cares.
    Shoot well
     
  17. JohnKSa

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    The fact that the tooling is the same means absolutely NOTHING.

    Let's say I go visit Wilson Combat, come home and buy an identical set of tooling. Then, I start turning out products. Anyone care to venture a guess as to why my finished products might not have the same level of quality and function as the ones from Wilson Combat?

    The tooling is one tiny part of the equation. The skill of the machine operators, raw materials, designers (yes, Taurus has modified the Beretta design), manufacturing processes, the morale and quality of the employees, and quality control procedures and policies all have a tremendous effect on the finished product--MUCH more so than the tools used to produce the product.
     
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    I second that!

    I worked in the Injection Molding business for 5yrs (plastic manufacturing business) and the tooling is secondary. Just because it was cooked in the same pot doesn't mean its gonna taste the same.


    What's the difference between the mags on these guns?
     
  19. 355sigfan

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    Im gonna call BS on a couple of posts here....."Taurus guns jam"
    Uh huh...whatever. Taurus PT9* guns were initially made from Beretta's bar stock, on their machines with their tooling. BIG DIFFERENCE!

    END

    Ok I guess I need to go into specifics. The first Taurus I shot was a Pt101 (full size blue 40sw may have the wrong number). I recommended it to a friend because of what I had read about Taurus being a good product.

    The gun constantly failed to feed and extract a variety of 40sw factory ammo. The double action trigger on the thing was in the neighborhood of 20 pounds while the single action was about 9 pounds. Overall crappy pistol.

    Next Taurus I shot was another friends PT99 (Full size Blue 9mm) it had a problem with extraction. It would not extract any ammo reliably. It would not make it through a magazine without at least 2 malfunctions.

    Next Taurus I tried was reliable; it was a full size stainless 9mm. It worked fine. Its trigger was heavy but at least it would go bang.

    Next Taurus I shot was a fellow officer's PT908. This thing would not even feed ball with any degree of reliability. It went back to Taurus twice before he got really frustrated and sold it. Take a look at some of the gun tests articles with Taurus guns. Most of the time the articles are not favorable.

    I have owned 5 Beretta 92's over the years and one Cougar in 40sw. They were all flawless. The Beretta is not my favorite design. But it can't be denied that it works. If you check the various forums on net, the general feeling is that if you buy a Taurus you will be using their lifetime warranty again and again.
    PAT
     
  20. Mark IV Series 80

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    The big functional difference is the cut-out for the magazine release.

    I hear that one type may be modified (cut-out enlarged) to work in the other.
     
  21. boing

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    Personal opinion? As Blueduck said:

    I don't like slide mounted safeties, and I'm a cheap bastard, so for a working gun I'd probably give the Taurus a whirl.

    But since I already have enough working nines to suit my needs, I'd be buying more for history and cachet than anything else: Beretta.
     
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    I have put about a 1000 rds through a PT-100 , Had 2 FTF's in the first 25 rds and never a problem since. I have never been real impressed with the accuracy when compaired other .40 pistols of the same barrel length.
     
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    LOL!
    Excellent analogy!
     
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    I HAD both!! The Beretta went bye bye, traded for a BHP. The Taurus is still in my possession. No problems here!! :D
     
  25. Handy

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    The Taurus 92 and 99 pistols are built with the machinery and training of Beretta plant engineers. Their have been minor changes since the Beretta contract, but the Taurus is actually closer to the design of the original Beretta 92 than the 92FS is.

    If the price is right, contract made guns are great. I have a Greek made HK91 that is perfect. Many people are currently raving about their FM Argentine BHPs, 1927 Sistema Colts, etc.

    The ingrediants and kitchen are so close, the soups are 99% identical where it counts. For a long time, Taurus locking blocks were the prefered replacements, even.

    Frequently, you can find a barely used Taurus 92 for little more than $200. A similar, or even rough Beretta is going to be closer to $400. If you're buying a workhorse, I don't see any reason to go Beretta, unless you're going to buy enough hicap mags to make up for the price difference.
     
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