Berry's 9mm 115 gr flat point data?

[Shinbone]

I've searched here and on Google and wondered if anyone has worked up data on reloading Berry's 115 gr flat point for 9MM? Their COL is 1.06" per Berry's. Most people seem to suggest using data for lead, which is fine, but I would like to see some loads others have developed.
Thanks.

 

[dgod]

I have several loads for 9mm. The FMJ's are from several different sources. The Cast Loads are data I have gathered, if Std Dev is shown, I have shot those loads and used my Chrony to collect data.
115gr, FMJ

3.9gr 700x, SPP, 991fps
3.7gr 700x, SPP, 1082
4.2gr 700x, SPP, 1091
4.3gr HP-38, SPP, 1079
3.3gr 700x, SPP, 986
5.1gr HP-38, SPP, 1167 (MAX Load)
4.7gr HP-38, SPP, 1075
5.0gr Unique, SPP, 1140
6.3gr Unique, CCI-500, 1244
4.5gr 700x, SPP, 1081 - 3" Barrel
4.5gr 700x, SPP, 1137 - 4 1/2" Barrel
4.4gr Bullseye, SPP, 1164, COAL: 1.140 - 1.145, Std Dev 26fps
4.7gr Bullseye, CCI-500, 1144
3.7gr Titegroup, SPP, 950, Light Load
7.0gr Bluedot, SPP, 1091, June 2016 Gun's Magazine
8.0gr, Bluedot, CCI-SMP, 1190,
5.4gr American Select, CCI-500, 1102
8.5gr Bluedot, CCI-500, 1258
6.7gr Power Pistol, CCI-500, 1212

My rue of thumb is anything I deem to be "Fast", I use Gas Checks to ensure I don't get barrel leading.

My Cast Bullets are 124gr RN,

6.0gr Bluedot, cci-500, 951
3.6GR 700X, Fed SP, 850, Std Dev 44 Fps, Extreme Spread 128fps
3.2gr 700x, Fed SP, 816

131gr Cast HP

4.1gr, 231, Fed SP, 1133
2.5gr, 231, Fed SP, 990
3.7gr, 700x, Fed SP, 1080
3.2gr 700x, Fed SP, 927
6.5gr Bluedot, Fed SP, 1089
5.8gr, Bluedot, Fed SP, 969

All were 4" Barrels unless otherwise noted. COAL 1.100 to 1.125, so if you use any of these, you'll need to check yours for fit.

And it should go without saying, BUT... These loads need to be worked up to, start at a lower powder charge, and gradually work up until you get/see the results you are looking for. No liability is assumed, use at your own risk. Good Luck

 

[splattergun]

https://www.berrysmfg.com/faq
"You can use published load data for lead/cast bullets or low to mid-range FMJ data, as long as it is the same weight bullet. Berry's offers our standard plate bullets which can handle velocities up to 1,250 fps and 1,500 fps for our Thick Plate (TP) versions."

 

[mdi]

FWIW; for new reloaders I suggest a few things. First, pay no attention to any load data you see on any forum, from any gun counter clerk, range rat, pet loads website, or gun shop guru. Until you get the hang of the theories behind powder and powder charges use loads you find in your published reloading manuals. Second, find a load in your manual(s) before you buy components. Fewer headaches and confusion that way. And third, put the plated bullets away for now and get some plain old jacketed bullets. There seems to be a lot of confusion with new reloaders trying to extrapolate data and methods for plated bullets. (a few timed per week you'll see "what loads do I use with my plated bullets?" or "how do I crimp my plated bullets?" on just about any forum). Maybe not enough easy to find data?

I have only used mebbe 1,600 plated bullets and I wasn't impressed (my cast lead bullets don't lead my barrels and if I need high velocities I'll use jacketed). I used lead bullet data for the same shape/weight bullet, and lead bullet methods quite successfully.

 

[Dog Soldier]

I like Berry's Bullets. I have shot many of them in the 9MM and .38 Super Comp. I have pushed them to the limit no problems. I also cast for these calibers.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

FWIW; for new reloaders I suggest a few things. First, pay no attention to any load data you see on any forum, from any gun counter clerk, range rat, pet loads website, or gun shop guru. Until you get the hang of the theories behind powder and powder charges use loads you find in your published reloading manuals. Second, find a load in your manual(s) before you buy components. Fewer headaches and confusion that way. And third, put the plated bullets away for now and get some plain old jacketed bullets. There seems to be a lot of confusion with new reloaders trying to extrapolate data and methods for plated bullets. (a few timed per week you'll see "what loads do I use with my plated bullets?" or "how do I crimp my plated bullets?" on just about any forum. Maybe not enough easy to find data?

I have only used mebbe 1,600 plated bullets and I wasn't impressed (my cast lead bullets don't lead my barrels and if I need high velocities I'll use jacketed). I used lead bullet data for the same shape/weight bullet, and lead bullet methods quite successfully.

That is good advice.

RMR is a good company who's owner is a member on this forum. They have very good prices on real FMJ bullets that cost no more than most plated bullets. You can buy 1000 brand new 115gr 9mm bullets for $79. You probably paid a few dollars more for the plated Berry's bullets.

http://rmrbullets.com/shop/bullets-for-reloading/9mm-115-grain-rmr-fmj/?v=7516fd43adaa

 

[Shinbone]

I understand. I've been reloading using published reloading manual data for 30 years but have never tried plated. So thought I'd ask about them.

 

[mdi]

I understand. I've been reloading using published reloading manual data for 30 years but have never tried plated. So thought I'd ask about them.

OOPS! Sorry, thought you were a newby . So, in my experience I just used lead bullet methods (case prep., sizing, powder charges, and taper crimp) with no stripping or fouling and average accuracy...

 

[Dog Soldier]

RMR is a good company who's owner is a member on this forum. They have very good prices on real FMJ bullets that cost no more than most plated bullets. You can buy 1000 brand new 115gr 9mm bullets for $79. You probably paid a few dollars more for the plated Berry's bullets.

http://rmrbullets.com/shop/bullets-for-reloading/9mm-115-grain-rmr-fmj/?v=7516fd43adaa[/QUOTE]

I just love these price wars on reloading components.

 

[doctorjohn]

Listed below is data I posted on another thread for Berry's 115gr Hollow Base Round Nose Thick Plate.

I believe I read on the Berry site that the HBRN-TP may have a little longer bearing surface, but the data below are from 115gr Berry bullets. This might be some help.

Winchester brass, CCI 500 small pistol primer, Lyman M die, Lee seat/crimp die, and Power Pistol for all loads. Chronograph is PACT Model1XP with screens 8' from muzzle. Shot with Taurus PT99AF.

5.8gr Power Pistol. Crimp 0.381". Average speed = 1,144 feet/sec.

6.0gr Power Pistol. Crimp 0.380". Average speed = 1,165 feet/sec.

6.2gr Power Pistol. Crimp 0.380". Average speed = 1,206 feet/sec.

 

[Shinbone]

Thanks all. I appreciate the responses. Especially yours mdi because those are basics we all need to keep in mind and I thank you for the reminder. Can't stray far from the basics or we get in trouble. Overconfidence will create errors.

 

[Walkalong]

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/berrys-bullets.779037/page-2#post-9892970

When I tried them I used jacketed data, but stopped short of max. And yea, right now there are some jacketed bullets out there as cheap as plated, sometimes cheaper. Beats the heck out of a couple of years ago.

 

[LiveLife]

wondered if anyone has worked up data on reloading Berry's 115 gr flat point for 9MM? Their COL is 1.06" per Berry's. Most people seem to suggest using data for lead, which is fine, but I would like to see some loads others have developed.

Hodgdon published load data for Berry's HBRN thick plated bullets and I have been referencing them for various plated bullet work up. For Berry's regular plated bullets, I have been using lead load data with good results.

With Berry's 124 gr regular plated RN, I referenced load data for 124 gr HBRN-TP which lists 4.1 gr max charge of Titegroup at 1.150" OAL and tested 3.8/4.0 gr at 1.160" OAL with following groups at 25 yards - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...e-pistol-reloaders.746062/page-2#post-9382933

With Berry's 115 gr HBRN-TP bullet, 2004 Alliant load data listed 6.3 gr Herco as max charge for 115 gr FMJ at 1.120" and I tested Winchester 115 gr FMJ and Berry's 115 gr HBRN-TP at 1.150"-1.160" (loaded longer to not compress powder charge) and got better groups with Berry's HBRN-TP bullets at 10 yards (done for comparison not utmost accuracy) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/9mm-and-herco-for-jacketed-lead-plated-bullets.745656/

Since FP bullet will get seated deeper than RN bullet, I would reduce listed lead load data max charge for RN but you should be OK using the published start charge for lead load data. Hodgdon lead load data for 115 gr lead RN used 1.100" OAL and since you are using 1.060" for plated FP, I think reduction of .2-.3 gr off max lead load data should work but as always, conduct your powder work up slowly from start charge and let the accuracy trends/shot groups guide you.