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Best 9mm for IPSC/USPSA

Discussion in 'Competition Shooting' started by 2005 Vette, Sep 18, 2011.

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  1. Red Cent

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    There is a way to mod the 39 and 59 to be carried cocked and locked. I wonder if some of these could be modded also. You don't remove any safeties. You disable the decocker.
     
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    Sig X-Five and (the new) Sig P-210 Legend are both ridiculously good for target shooting (perhaps #1 in the world?), regarding IPSC use I never tried that, but I guess? they would do just fine there too.
    P-210 is 1000 and X-five about 1100 euro (ex tax) in Denmark.
     
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  3. waktasz

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    You guess wrong.
     
  4. Pjotor345

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    Okej, good to know, though I do know they would absolutely murder f.e. the G34 in IPSC, that much I do know. (I´ve never competed in IPSC, though I have tried it a little bit ;)!)

    (After my clubs weekly targetshooting, for the last couple of years there´s been a IPSC-club that shoots on the same shooting range, and they are so friendly that sometimes I´ve stayed on, and they do love my X-Five, though none of them shoot 9mm´s.)
     
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  5. ny32182

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    The new IPSC Production world champion used a G17 with grip tape and a slightly modified trigger.
     
  6. waktasz

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    The X-five all around would be OK for production but not competitive in any other division and the p-210 really doesn't fit anywhere. Not legal for production and at a major disadvantage in any other division because of capacity and minor power factor.
     
  7. mgmorden

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    You're missing division rules. The SIG P210 is single action. It cannot compete in production division where the G34 reigns supreme. It'd have to be used in one of the Limited divisions. Now, in Limited, it would be scored Minor (being 9mm), and would have a capacity problem.

    It would be best suited to Limited-10, where you MIGHT be able to get ahold of a 10-round magazine for it, but you're still shooting minor.

    The X-Five being DA/SA is Production legal, but DA/SA is strongly disfavored in that division compared to striker fired guns, and you're giving up 0.32" of barrel lenght (and sight radius) vs the Glock 34.

    They're both very good guns, but in general SIGs just aren't that popular in USPSA/IPSC. Even in the European arena where they seem to be more more apt to shoot DA/SA the CZ guns seem to be the DA/SA platform of choice.
     
  8. Thompsoncustom

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    Hard to say which is best for you.... But the CZ 85 is a great pistol and doesn't have the firing pin block(better trigger pull) and with some work these guns can have an outstanding trigger I've seen one DA/SA CZ that has a DA of 3lb 15oz and a SA of 2lbs 3oz over at the cz forums.

    Still the best bet would be to get out and try some and see what you like.
     
  9. Justin

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    I shot a CZ-85 for years before switching over to an M&P. It was a great gun, but having to shoot it DA/SA was a hindrance.
     
  10. Chris Rhines

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    Having it constantly malfunction was kind of a downer, too. ;)

    I joke here a little, but my experience with CZ-pattern guns has not been positive from a reliability standpoint.

    I highly recommend the Glock 34 and the Smith and Wesson M&P Pro 9 for USPSA Production guns.

    -C
     
  11. Hoser

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    Yup. Get the M&P and hit the range.
     
  12. waktasz

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    On the other hand, the amount of stage ruining death jams I've seen on M&Ps is starting to add up. I know that's why I got rid of mine.
     
  13. Hawthorne2k

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    I have a CZ-75 and love it. If I didn't shoot the CZ, I'd take a long, hard look at the new Springfield 5.25, and if not that, then a M&P. Nothing against Glocks, they're built like tanks, they just don't fit my hand right.
     
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    Hey, I eventually got that all sorted out, and it ran fine until the rear sight spontaneously disassembled itself in the middle of a stage.
     
  15. gotigers

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    I like my M&P pro. If you get one, save time and order the Dawson Precision adjustable sights. M&P pros all shoot very low with the factory sight set up.
     
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    And I was thinking it was just me :). My M&P does hit a bit on the low side - not terribly so (I had a CZ-75 that at 10 yards would hit 8-10" low - the M&P is more like 2-3" low), but enough to be annoying. I don't like adjustables too much so I'm having the Sevigny Competition sights by Warren put in (my gun is actually at the 'smith now to have them put on), but I've been debating switching to a slightly shorter front sight blade to raise the POI. I'll save that project for later though - just getting the replacements on is good for now.
     
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    I can't say my M&P shoots low with the factory sights, but that is what adjustables are for.
     
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    The Pro seems to be set up to hit behind the fiber in the front sight, not at the top of the front post. For me, this means it's low. Tough to hit a small plate if your entire front post is covering it.
     
  19. gotigers

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    That is exactly the problem i have with it. I have no issue shooting USPSA silhouette targets, but when i try to knock over small steel it becomes troublesome. Even pepper poppers beyond 15 yards are hard to knock over if my bullets are hitting to low. I love the M&P pro, i just want it to hit either target or 6 o'clock drop.
     
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    Welcome. Go with the G17 or 34. If you have smaller hands go with the 19 and you'll find an advantage in size.
     
  21. Philo_Beddoe

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    9mm is really only competative in production where everything is scored minor and in open where it can make major. Open class is $3000 race guns with compensators, red dots, huge mag wells, 26+ round mags etc.

    Production, the gun has to be on the list, weigh with 2oz of the weight of the list and fit in a box, no comps, red dots, magwells.

    These are the guns of the top 16 finishers this year in production.

    1. Ben Stoeger Beretta 92 Elite 2
    2. Rob Leatham Springfield XDM 5.25
    3. Dave Sevigny Glock 34
    4. Matt Mink CZ SP-01 shadow
    5. Phil Strader CZ SP-01 shadow
    6. Rodney May Sig X5
    7. Kale Garretson CZ SP-01 shadow
    8. Brad Engmann S&W M&P Pro 9
    9. Angus Hobdell CZ SP-01 shadow
    10. Lee Demaculangan Glock 34
    11. Sonny Morton S&W M&P Pro 9
    12. Chad Reilly CZ SP-01 shadow
    13. Michael Hollar Glock 34
    14. Cody McKenna CZ SP-01 shadow
    15. Mike Hughes S&W M&P (the normal size one which looks tiny in his hands)
    16. Chuck Anderson Glock 34

    Any of the guns on this list will do, at that level its more about the indian then it is the arrow.
     
  22. eerw

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    Trying a bunch is going to be the best. Just because a certain platform is used by a majority of shooters doesn't make it right. heck look at our politics these days. :)

    What you do have is a lot of good choices. set up right they are all pretty good.

    Heck I took my brother to the local indoor range and we rented about every 9mm pistol they had. CZs, Smith, HK, Glock, FN, Springfield, Beretta, etc.
    It was good to get a side by side livefire comparison of them all.
     
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    Stuart! You live!!!
     
  24. greenhornet

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    Hello, I just joined this forum, this is my first post. I have had an interest in competitive shooting for some time and found a local club that I plan on joining soon. My carry gun (ccw) is a G26 and I love it. With all the research I have done it looks like a future purchase would be a Glock 34. At my local gun shop I held a G34 and and did'nt want to put it down. For me If I start trying different fits and things it gets confusing so I'll stick with Perfection. LOL
     
  25. 2005 Vette

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    Thanks to everyone for their help and opinions. On Wednesday I picked up a Gen 3 Glock 34. For me it fits my hand great and its reputation is second to none. I will shoot it on Saturday and then my quest to upgrade it will begin, sights magwell and possible a trigger job. I'm so psyched to get involved in shooting sports. I love this site. Thanks again
     
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