Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Best ammo for mouse guns.22LR .22MAG .25ACP, .32ACP and .380

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by stinger 327, Mar 10, 2010.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. stinger 327

    stinger 327 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2009
    Messages:
    3,176
    I have been told that the best load for stopping in these small calibers or the best it can get is FMJ because you get better penetration in hopes of hitting a vital organ.
    The hollow points were not favored because in these calibers the bullet didn't travel at a high enough velocity to expand. I don't know if this would apply to .22 MAG. or those hyper velocity .22 LR like Stingers, Viper, Yellow Jacket and the Stinger segmented HP since these don't come in FMJ form and are very hot loads:what:

    I tested a .25 ACP in different types of bullets i.e FMJ, hollow points and Magsafe fragmented round.
    The Magsafe appeared to do the most devistating damage into a 2 x 4 piece of hardwood. Then again this type of load has been known to create large superficial wounds but not enough penetration to do any harm. When I saw it in the 2 x 4 it penetrated well.

    What do you think?
     
  2. hammerklavier

    hammerklavier Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2009
    Messages:
    837
    Location:
    North Carolina
    Remington Golden Sabre for the .380, it's one of the heaviest fastest loads you can buy without going into +P territory.

    When using FMJ, be sure you're not getting a downloaded target round.
     
  3. stinger 327

    stinger 327 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2009
    Messages:
    3,176
    What's a downloaded target round? Do you mean bulk buy ammo. It should be a personal protection round like those in the 20-pack?
     
  4. hammerklavier

    hammerklavier Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2009
    Messages:
    837
    Location:
    North Carolina
    See if you can find the muzzle ballistics for the ammo you're thinking about. If you're getting FMJs, you'll want something nearly as hot as what you find available in the hollow point self defense loads.

    And as far as .22LR is concerned, do not buy anything marked as target ammo, that stuff is mostly subsonic to make it more accurate (good for suppressors, though) :)
     
  5. Rshooter

    Rshooter Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2007
    Messages:
    1,104
    Location:
    Tennessee
    With .380 I use the CorBons hollow point. FMJ is for military and practice.
     
  6. NG VI

    NG VI Member

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2007
    Messages:
    4,884
    Location:
    Maine
    In .22 I like Aguila's 60 grain SSS, you might as well push the heaviest solid you can from a pocket .22, and it isn't downloaded at all. Actually it's pretty hot for a .22
     
  7. makarovnik

    makarovnik Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2006
    Messages:
    1,677
    I would advise not trying to run the same ammo through all of those.
     
  8. sidheshooter

    sidheshooter Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2007
    Messages:
    1,963
    Location:
    NW
    In .22, I'd personally go with high velocity (not hyper velocity) solids, whatever is most reliable.

    In .25 acp, I'd go with a .380. :)

    in .32, maybe the silvertip, since it gets good press from folks who purport to study these things (but only if it is totally reliable in the pistol).

    In .380, I'm using fiocchi xtp, because I like the bullet's design compromise and I can find it in enough quantity to practice and function test with it.

    JMO, FWIW.
     
  9. searcher451

    searcher451 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2007
    Messages:
    2,516
    Location:
    Oregon
  10. Quiet

    Quiet Member

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2007
    Messages:
    3,061
    Location:
    bouncing between the 909 & the 702
    I carry a .32ACP.
    I have used Winchester 60gr silvertip HPs and Fiocchi 73gr FMJ.
    I prefer the Focchi 73gr FMJ due to the deeper penetration.

    I though about using the Sellier & Bellot 73gr (steel jacketed, lead core, brass case, berdan primed) FMJ, bt not sure how the steel jacketed rounds would fare through my Kel-Tec. I heard it's suppose to be subgun only ammo (Vz61 Skorpion).
     
  11. KevinR

    KevinR Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2010
    Messages:
    221
    I like the 380 but the availability is ridicules right now. I think I am going tomorrow to get the stuff to reload my own.
     
  12. HisSoldier

    HisSoldier Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2007
    Messages:
    1,106
    I've been loading .25 ACP up quite a bit, getting over 1000 FPS with 50 grain FMJ. (1.9 grains Bullseye)

    Today I got some Gold Dots that could use the velocity. These are only 35 grains, so with that load above it would probably be going more like 1100 FPS.

    The little gun won't take that forever though, and has had malfunctions from slide bounce. That was in the little Astra Cub, which is a surprisingly accurate little gun.
    The only reason I've done that is because of all the talk about how anemic they are in self defense, but I shoot it for fun! I'll probably be loading back down to high 800's in the future, though 1000 FPS with the tiny Gold Dot probably isn't hard on the gun.

    Oddly enough I've never tried to load .380 toward the top of it's capabilities.
     
  13. MachIVshooter

    MachIVshooter Member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2005
    Messages:
    14,243
    Location:
    Elbert County, CO
    .22 LR-CCI Mini-Mag. The Stingers and other hyper-velocity cartridges are kinda like the .22 WMR, in that they use slower powders that are more conducive to rifle barrel lengths. They gain very little if anything over a standard high velocity round from handguns. Stingers gained a whopping 10 FPE (75 vs. 65) over value-pack Remington ammo in my NAA mini.

    .22 WMR-CCI Maxi-Mag +V. This round gave the best performance in my NAA mini 1-5/8", coming close to 100 FPE. Others were 80-90

    .25 ACP-FMJ, pick a brand. They all make about 65 FPE. I've tested the SPeer 35 gr. gold dots, both factory and handloaded. They do expand violently and reliably, but they get very poor penetration.

    .32 ACP-Winchester 60 gr. Silvertips. Reliable expansion, and they get about as much penetration as ball ammo in my testing on clay.

    .380 ACP-Remington Golden Saber. I handload them a bit hotter than factory (260 FPE vs. 200), but the factory stuff performs well too. My loads penetrated all the way though a 12" block of clay covered in 2 layers of denim. The bullet atop the block is an unfired slug.

    [​IMG]

    Here is the recovered bullet, cleaned. The jacket separated and was at about 7", while the core continued through:

    [​IMG]

    That said, I only carry .380 & up. With the P3AT being so small and light, there's really not a compelling reason to carry a smaller caliber.
     
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2010
  14. HisSoldier

    HisSoldier Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2007
    Messages:
    1,106
    A self defensive handgun instructor told us about a guy who came into a home, shot the head of the household in the center mass area with 5 .40 S&W's, and the shootee got out of his chair and almost beat the shooter to death before expiring.

    There are many people who have died after one shot with a .25 auto, so bullet placement is king, of course, or,,,is it luck?. Those center mass shots should have done it instantly though, go figure.

    There is a youtube video of an instructor showing how to use a mousegun for self defense, but I can't find it now. He gets up close and pumps the whole magazine into the face and throat area.

    If someone started shooting at me from across the street and all I had was a handgun I'd sure hope it was my 10MM Razorback, and not my PT3AT.

    But I don't want to lug the Razorback around all the time.
     
  15. stinger 327

    stinger 327 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2009
    Messages:
    3,176
    I see. The Magsafe loads in a .25ACP is something like 1,200 fps it sure did do more damage than the HP and FMJ went in deeper too. A very devistating violent round. Magsafe makes these in all calibers. They are very light in weight but travel very fast and release shot into the target.
     
  16. stinger 327

    stinger 327 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2009
    Messages:
    3,176
    For the .22 LR the best I have found are the CCI Stingers travel around 1,600 fps.
    Aguilar sells a hollow point and flat point in the 1,750 and 1,700 fps range.
    CCI has a stinger segmented HP but I haven't heard anything about that and haven't been able to find it to purchase it. The Remington has 2 the Viper and the Yellow Jacket somewhere in that 1,500 to 1,600 fps range. At this time the Aguilar brand from Mexico is the fastest highest velocity .22 LR.
     
  17. stinger 327

    stinger 327 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2009
    Messages:
    3,176
    There isn't much of a choice for a .25ACP. Most of the time I see the Winchester ammo that has a BB in the nose which has been around forever. I believe I have seen .25 by the Speer Lawman? The Geico .25 is a full metal jacket from Germany that I heard good things about but it is no longer in current production so that would have to come from someone's collection. I have seen Fiochi .25 ammo .
    What get my curiousity is why do these smaller calibers cost more than the standard 9mm, .45, .357. Less metal less power, smaller cartridges and not many choices in type of bullet.
     
  18. mbt2001

    mbt2001 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2005
    Messages:
    2,902
    Location:
    Texas
    The reason that most MOUSE GUN CARRIERS USE FMJ's is because MOST MOUSE GUNS PREFER FMJ's. I use the mag safe FMJ's for my .25 save for the first load. The first load is hornady controlled expansion round, since I don't have to worry about feeding with round 1.

    The .25 is an odd round with as much myth surrounding it as just about any cartridge out there, maybe more. As a surprise gun, or a gun to a knife fight, or an only guy with a gun gun it works fine. I wouldn't want to storm the Bastille with it, but it has it's place. I carry it when walking the mutts in the summer time.

    A lot of animals die each year to the .22 and it is about the same as the .25 if you compare them from similar barrel lengths.

    NOTE - I think Hornadys controlled expansion rounds will end up sweeping the mouse gun category, the provide FMJ feeding with HP expansion.
     
  19. stinger 327

    stinger 327 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2009
    Messages:
    3,176
    iF YOU HAVE SHOT THOSE .25 ACP MAGSAFES THEN YOU KNOW HOW DEVISTATING THEY ARE.
     
  20. mbt2001

    mbt2001 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2005
    Messages:
    2,902
    Location:
    Texas
    I should have said MAG TECH

    [​IMG]

    sorry... Just standard FMJ cheapies.
     
  21. stinger 327

    stinger 327 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2009
    Messages:
    3,176
    How about Fiochi ammo aren't' those hotter loads?
     
  22. MachIVshooter

    MachIVshooter Member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2005
    Messages:
    14,243
    Location:
    Elbert County, CO
    Those are rifle velocities, and the bullets are very light weight, lightly constructed HP's. The average velocity I recorded for the 32 grain CCI stinger from the 3" barrel of a Phoenix HP-22 was 1,030 FPS for 75 ft/lbs. The Remington "Golden Bullet" hit 940 FPS with a 40 grain pill from the same gun, giving 79 ft/lbs.

    Stingers, Velocitors, Viper etc. are designed for close range varmint shooting with rifles.
     
  23. dom1104

    dom1104 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2007
    Messages:
    1,366
    22lr gains an INSANE amount of power for a rifle barrel. It is beyond anemic out of a pistol. Any home tests you do will be eye opening.

    I agree completly with MachIV, there is no reason to go anything sub 380 with the LCP, P3AT options now.

    The other calibers are frankly obsolete for SD.

    Someone is going to tell me I am wrong, and some story of .25acp but its simply a fact. There is good better and best and of those options the .380 is the best.
     
  24. benderx4

    benderx4 Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2008
    Messages:
    1,276
    Location:
    Orlando, FL
    Didn't the Israeli Mossad assassins carry Beretta 70s Jaguars with .22LR? Seems like shot placement would be key. I use CCI stingers in my Cheetah 87.

    BTW, as a side note, my new FN 5.7x28 is barely bigger than my .22 rounds but it generates almost 2200fps at the muzzle of my handgun, not the carbine. Twenty and thirty round mags are the norm -yooza, starting to be my new favorite toy.

    I've got a bunch of little Beretta Jetfires hidden around the house in .25acp for those home invasion situations where I wouldn't have the chance to grab the .45acp or the 12 gauge. Fiochi works like a charm with these guns.

    My Seecamp LWS32 travels with me outside the home in my pocket. Hope I never use it, but should the opportunity arise, I have no doubt it will do the job. Speer Gold Dots, Silvertips, and Corbon XTPs all work awesome in this gun.

    As for the inevitable zombie attack? Got a couple LWRCs waiting for those guys. 5.56 for most of them, 6.8 spc for the fat guys. (And don't forget about that FN!)
     
  25. w_houle

    w_houle Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2008
    Messages:
    789
    Location:
    Raleigh, NC
    (.22lr) I didn't know the chronograph difference between Mini-Mag and Stinger, I just knew I felt more recoil from the Stingers so just assumed it was sending more hurt down range
    (.380 ACP) For the amount of time spent touting PMC, you'd swear I was selling the stuff (I don't). Not too sure what damage it does, I just know it's reliably fed in everything I tried it with :eek:
    Hmm... as far a .25 ACP goes (not far :neener: )? It's not a round for squaring off with someone. Granted I would rather have it than a knife, but anyway:rolleyes: I would say it's more of a "Get off me!" round... either that or something to make them duck while you run. So on that effect: Anything that feeds will do, and besides I doubt the factory loaded hollow points will open up much.
    That leaves us with .22wmr and .32 ACP. I've wanted a gun in each, but not enough to actually go out and buy one of either. Although when I find a PMR-30; I'll buy it. Still can't seem to get excited over a .32 ACP though:(
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page