Best bang for the buck .22LR
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Just got back from the range. Here are my targets, shot at one round every two seconds, standing at 25 yards indoors. The black is 3.5" in diameter. The Mueller is a very basic reflex red dot sight, no magnification. The SIG522 does just what I need it to.
I recently started shooting left handed because I am left eye dominant. With some practice I will sort those left hand groups out...
I recently started shooting left handed because I am left eye dominant. With some practice I will sort those left hand groups out...
MCgunner
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The 10/22 is the standard now days for your criteria. It can be whatever you want it to be....
I want a Volquartsen sear, but it ahoots 1.5" groups at 50 yards as is with the Hogue stock and no barrel band.
My Remington 597 magnum is a gem, too, shooting 1.5" at a full 100 yards. I like the fit, made for grown ups. I'm not sure if the Remington fits all your criteria, though, not sure about high cap mags and such. I saw a tacticooled 597 the other day at a pawn shop, had the standard mag in it. It had a collapsible stock and they wanted an igorant price on it, over 300 bucks. The gun sells for under 200 new.
I added the Volquartsen hammer to mine and, WOW, the trigger is NICE now. I have an old Remington bolt gun in .22 LR that shoots as accurate as the 597 Magnum. It'll shoot one hole groups at 25 yards with RWS Target. Remington makes accurate rifles.
I want a Volquartsen sear, but it ahoots 1.5" groups at 50 yards as is with the Hogue stock and no barrel band.
My Remington 597 magnum is a gem, too, shooting 1.5" at a full 100 yards. I like the fit, made for grown ups. I'm not sure if the Remington fits all your criteria, though, not sure about high cap mags and such. I saw a tacticooled 597 the other day at a pawn shop, had the standard mag in it. It had a collapsible stock and they wanted an igorant price on it, over 300 bucks. The gun sells for under 200 new.
I added the Volquartsen hammer to mine and, WOW, the trigger is NICE now. I have an old Remington bolt gun in .22 LR that shoots as accurate as the 597 Magnum. It'll shoot one hole groups at 25 yards with RWS Target. Remington makes accurate rifles.
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gunsandreligion
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If semi auto it must be id definatly recomend the 10/22. Even if its not perfect from the box it has more potential with the ability to customize. If you want the most fun along with bang for your buck a lever action cant be beaten IMO.
Kachok
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Accuracy/Reliability Savage MkII
High capasity/semi auto Ruger 10/22
Now if we could just somehow combine the two
The Savage MkII is FANTASTIC except the crappy trigger, the 10/22 is highly versatile but I have heard many mixed reviews on accuracy.
High capasity/semi auto Ruger 10/22
Now if we could just somehow combine the two
The Savage MkII is FANTASTIC except the crappy trigger, the 10/22 is highly versatile but I have heard many mixed reviews on accuracy.
JTW Jr.
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I have a couple 10/22 , Marlin 700 ( the old Big 5 Special), a couple Savage MKII's.
Hands down I would take either of the Savages for accuracy , best bang for the buck ? I would still take either of my Savages over any of the others I have.
Savage FV under $200 , bargain ! Head to head out of the box, either of my Savage shoot way better than either 10/22 I have.
Hands down I would take either of the Savages for accuracy , best bang for the buck ? I would still take either of my Savages over any of the others I have.
Savage FV under $200 , bargain ! Head to head out of the box, either of my Savage shoot way better than either 10/22 I have.
Ruger 10/22 is a good out of the box rifle that is possibly the most versatile rifle in the world. There is nothing you can't do with it or buy for it to make it into whatever you want.
Having said the above, all 4 of mine pretty are much stock and they all shoot well. I teach rifle marksmanship and they are used as loaners. They work very well with good sights/or scope and a sling.
I do own a couple Marlin 60S, a couple Marlin 795 and a couple dozen Remington 22s. However my recommendation is always a 10/22.
Having said the above, all 4 of mine pretty are much stock and they all shoot well. I teach rifle marksmanship and they are used as loaners. They work very well with good sights/or scope and a sling.
I do own a couple Marlin 60S, a couple Marlin 795 and a couple dozen Remington 22s. However my recommendation is always a 10/22.
The Marlin is cheaper and known to be more accurate, but I've found a 10/22 to be more reliable on the whole and to require less maintenance.
If I could have only one it would be a close competition, but I think the CZ-452 trainer would get that place. I'd get one now while you can - I hear they're phasing them out and I get so much use out of those open sights for long range shooting.
If I could have only one it would be a close competition, but I think the CZ-452 trainer would get that place. I'd get one now while you can - I hear they're phasing them out and I get so much use out of those open sights for long range shooting.
Maverick223
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Either the Marlin 795 (if you plan to leave it stock) or a Ruger 10/22 (if you want to accessorize/swap parts). Personally I like the Marlin M-60 better than the 795, but it doesn't fulfill your requirement for a magazine-fed rifle...if you can live with that it's a good choice.
Jalexander
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I like the Marlin Model 60 much better than the 10/22, but the Ruger is a good gun.
James
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For your criteria there is only on choice, the 10/22. The marlin or savage are better guns but the aftermarket options are slim to none. I have a marlin 795 with a universal bipod and I even sprang for the plastic shooters ridge hi-cap mag(25rd, I think it survived 100rds) and any scope is simple to mount but that is pretty much where it ends.
I've got just under 4000 rds on my mp15-22 all with federal bulk.... 1 failure to fire tried in 2 mp's and a Ruger sr22 pistol never fired I'm any of them. I've got the moe version in dark earth with a primary arms red dot. I've also got a 10-22 from 1994 it has a 90's trigger for sure but its reliable as well but I'd take the mp any day of the week over it. Just something to look at
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I shot match eley ammo today out of a Marlin 60. The trigger is awful on the gun but it will group close to one half to three quarters of an inch at 50 yards with a cheap Bushnell scope.
The Winchester wildcat ammo is awful and groups at two inches and is very inconsistent at that distance.
I never could get a Ruger 10/22 to group as well as the Marlin with good ammo.
Honestly if you want good groups for not a lot of bucks get a good Savage bolt action with the accutrigger. I know it is not hi capacity or anything but the accuracy is awesome out of them. Accuracy is what matters. A lot of rounds that don't hit your target are nothing but misses and noise.
The Winchester wildcat ammo is awful and groups at two inches and is very inconsistent at that distance.
I never could get a Ruger 10/22 to group as well as the Marlin with good ammo.
Honestly if you want good groups for not a lot of bucks get a good Savage bolt action with the accutrigger. I know it is not hi capacity or anything but the accuracy is awesome out of them. Accuracy is what matters. A lot of rounds that don't hit your target are nothing but misses and noise.
ColdDayInHell
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10/22 with a picatinny rail for your mounting needs. You can always buy a number of stocks to mod your 10/22. The Ruger 10/22, a $215 rifle you can easily spend $500 on.
I love my 10/22 and have a 4x32 scope on it. Every person I bring shooting with me ends up falling in love with it. So accurate! I recently did some work on the trigger and hammer and got it down to about 2-3 lbs trigger pull. This rifle is flawless. Every gun owner should get one. If you have any questions on how to lighten the trigger with minimal materials let me know. The auto bolt release was easy as well.
I love my 10/22 and have a 4x32 scope on it. Every person I bring shooting with me ends up falling in love with it. So accurate! I recently did some work on the trigger and hammer and got it down to about 2-3 lbs trigger pull. This rifle is flawless. Every gun owner should get one. If you have any questions on how to lighten the trigger with minimal materials let me know. The auto bolt release was easy as well.
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I came here to say exactly this, except the Accu-trigger is AWESOME! 1.5lb, clean breaking trigger out of the box. And this is in a $150 rifle.Accuracy/Reliability Savage MkII
High capasity/semi auto Ruger 10/22
Now if we could just somehow combine the two
The Savage MkII is FANTASTIC except the crappy trigger, the 10/22 is highly versatile but I have heard many mixed reviews on accuracy.
Maverick223
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I'll second the AccuTrigger on the Mk.II (as well as the 93-series & Centerfires), it is a very good trigger and is easily adjustable. The Mk.II in general is an excellent platform for the money if you can live with a very accurate bolt action instead of a SA.
MCgunner
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I don't think anyone is reading the OP. He wants a tacticooled semi auto, not a bolt gun with a tube magazine. There really are only two choices, one of the AR look alikes out there or the Ruger 10/22 with accessories. Take your choice. I know nothing of all the AR crap out there, I don't do the AR thing. I do know the 10/22 is a superior quality .22 rimfire auto with an aftermarket that cannot be matched by any other rimfire. Whatever you want it to be, the Ruger can be that.
There really are only two choices, one of the AR look alikes out there or the Ruger 10/22 with accessories. Take your choice. I know nothing of all the AR crap out there, I don't do the AR thing. I do know the 10/22 is a superior quality .22 rimfire auto with an aftermarket that cannot be matched by any other rimfire. Whatever you want it to be, the Ruger can be that.
Or he can get a SIG522 and call it solved
MCgunner
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Well, I don't look at sigs. I have a Ruger pocket book. I saw something on a sig auto .22 in an American Rifleman ad, I think. One should do a cost benefit analysis on it. You could wind up spending more dressing the Ruger than buying the Sig, if you like the Sig.
I saw something on a sig auto .22 in an American Rifleman ad, I think. One should do a cost benefit analysis on it. You could wind up spending more dressing the Ruger than buying the Sig, if you like the Sig.
Maverick223
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The Mk. II is magazine fed. If you note I read and responded to the OPs request earlier in the thread (where I suggested a 10/22, 795, or possibly a M-60). My most recent response was to refute the claim of poor quality triggers in the Savage Mk. IIs. Furthermore, his OP states that accuracy was second on the list of requirements (after reliability), so it is a potential candidate (certainly worth mention).MCgunner said:I don't think anyone is reading the OP. He wants a tacticooled semi auto, not a bolt gun with a tube magazine.
Kachok
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Mine was a pre-accutrigger model, and yes I agree the accutrigger is great in every way.
Marlin? -Please
In some people's opinion, with little to no rational reasoning to back it up.
Is it the tube feed that makes it better than the rotary magazine? - I don't think so.... How about the weight? Is a 5.5# Marlin better than a 5# 10/22? Accuracy? Doubtful......I started a whole thread on that topic and other than a troll or two, no-one had much bad to say about 10/22 accuracy. Shooter is the biggest variable in accuracy anyway.
OP, go with the 10/22 for your stated purpose. It is pretty much a no brainer, even over the much loved Marlin.
In some people's opinion, with little to no rational reasoning to back it up.
Is it the tube feed that makes it better than the rotary magazine? - I don't think so.... How about the weight? Is a 5.5# Marlin better than a 5# 10/22? Accuracy? Doubtful......I started a whole thread on that topic and other than a troll or two, no-one had much bad to say about 10/22 accuracy. Shooter is the biggest variable in accuracy anyway.
OP, go with the 10/22 for your stated purpose. It is pretty much a no brainer, even over the much loved Marlin.
JTW Jr.
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It's a Ford - Chevy - Chrysler thing here fellas.
There is no real "hands down best". The cult following of the 10/22 will always proclaim it to be the best , the Marlin guys will claim theirs, the Savage guys etc....
What you have to come to grips with is, you need one of each at least.....
Having others tell you what is best for you is not the way to find out, the only way to find out is to go to the range with some friends and try out each of the ones you are interested in.
There is no real "hands down best". The cult following of the 10/22 will always proclaim it to be the best , the Marlin guys will claim theirs, the Savage guys etc....
What you have to come to grips with is, you need one of each
at least.....Having others tell you what is best for you is not the way to find out, the only way to find out is to go to the range with some friends and try out each of the ones you are interested in.
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