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Best CCW 9mm?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by caz223, Apr 1, 2004.

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Best CCW 9mm?

  1. Smith and Wesson CS9

    13 vote(s)
    15.5%
  2. CZ RAMI 2075 9mm

    18 vote(s)
    21.4%
  3. SIG 239

    26 vote(s)
    31.0%
  4. H&K P7 PSP

    27 vote(s)
    32.1%
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  1. caz223

    caz223 Member

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    I know this has been beaten to death, but I'm looking for the final addition to my auto collection.
    Has to be a 9mm.
    Has to be small, and concealable.
    Target weight, around 20 ounces, unloaded.
    Already have the PSP, looking for something else.
    Right now, the CS9 tops the list, with the RAMI close behind, so the options are listed in order of my preferences, but I wanted a group opinion.
    If you have a overpowering reason not to choose the CS9, please post it and try your best to put my butt in the know.
     
  2. Tango Sierra

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    I don't think any of your choices fit under the weight limit. Look at the Kahr P9 or the Glock G26
     
  3. caz223

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    CS9= 20.8 oz.
    9mm rami= 22 oz.
    SIG 239= 25.2 oz., ok it's too heavy.
    P7=28+ oz., too heavy, too. (But it wasn't really an option, I already have one.)
     
  4. sensei

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    Kahr PM9

    sensei
     
  5. tc300mag1

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    From what ya got listed up there i would go with the HK
     
  6. middy

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    Glock 19 :evil:
     
  7. caz223

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    Choose carefully, I can only buy one, and the new DW bobtail 10mm commander, when it comes out.
    Then I gotta start selling autos that I don't shoot (Too many cluttering up the safe.).
    The CS9 is still looking like the best option, even though nobody has voted for one at this point.
    If the H&K still wins, I don't have to buy anything, and have room for one last purchase.
     
  8. caz223

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    As for the PM9, it's too light.
    Wouldn't want to practice with it enough.
    I don't like DAO triggers as a rule, so compact glocks are out, as are Kahrs. (Though I gotta admit, the Kahr DAO trigger is one of the best.)
    The MK9 elite would be more to my taste, if a Kahr was an option.
    Basically, the choices are the CZ or the smith.
     
  9. sm

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    Umm, if I may - can I ask a question?
    Have you shot any of these? Shot any others? Borrowed someone's with a conceal carry holster?

    No offense, but I suggest and what I have done in assisting with new shooters, CCW students and all. Try before you buy. We had a variety of guns, holsters and such for folks to use at the range.

    I have my thoughts...I don't pick guns for others. I listen to needs and if asked make honest suggestions,and have them shoot the gun. Budget comes to mind as well. Figure training, lessons, ammo, holster, good belt...

    My criteria:
    Gun must fit shooter in a reliable platform in the largest caliber the shooter can get quick accurate hits with ammo reliable in said gun.

    Don't matter what it is , if the controls are awkward, the DA/SA trigger screw you up, you are afraid of SA, the recoil is to much to hit anything quickly... are you left handed, could you shoot this gun weak handed...only by trying before you buy can YOU really make that choice.

    We never suggested a person buy a "first"gun when taking CCW class. Sadly and bad news when some Daddies, running buddies, boyfriends...etc. chose a gun ...all wrong for the student this happened a LOT!

    NO offense, just a suggestion.
     
  10. caz223

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    Well, I own the P7, but I don't like the small ejection port.
    I shot a CS9 at the range, and it shot extremely well for me.
    Fast hits were like second nature, pinky hanging off the mag well and all.
    The rami is an offshoot of the CZ75, I own 2 of those, and I am still impressed with their ergonomics, but their small ejection port bothers me as well. I haven't shot a RAMI in 9mm, who has?
    The SIG 239 is not really an option for me anymore, I just didn't want to offend SIG nuts by not including the 239 in the poll.
    I have a 228, and love it. (All 26 ounces of it.)
     
  11. Zundfolge

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    I'm sorry but thats a real incomplete poll without any Kahr.

    If you think the PM9 is too small for CCW :confused: thats fine, but the K9 or P9 should still be up there.
     
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    Don't like the Kahrs, not gonna buy one, so why include the option in the poll?
     
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    Oh I see ... you want the best from a narrow list.

    I assumed you where trying to get a Best Overall.


    Well from that list I'd say the P7 'cause it's nifty :p
     
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    Of your choices I would probably go with the P239.

    Kel-Tec P-11 would be another possibility... It's my favorite small nine...
     
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    Looks like a P7 runaway so far....
     
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    I am a SIG fan but found the P239 top heavy. Kahr need not apply due to customer service and quality concerns.

    I bought a CS9 and have been extremely pleased with it. I also like the slightly larger and heavier but more "all-around" 3913.

    The CS9 is extremely popular, and has been on the market for a long time so you can sometimes find one used. There are lots of good holsters available. I use the High Noon Down Under, with clip.
     
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    CS9...perhaps think 'bout the 3913/908 series as well.
     
  18. caz223

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    Had a 5904, (Kinda like the 908), didn't like it, it was a pain to field-strip, and the accuracy wasn't there for me.
    Also, the end of the trigger was sharp or radiused wrong, and would pinch my finger between the trigger and the bottom of the guard.
    That being said, that was a reliable, tough little gun.
    I brought it to steel plate matches as a backup to my CZs.
    If one CZ broke, I'd use the other.
    If my main CZ jammed, or didn't like the ammo I was feeding it, I'd switch to the 5904.
    That 5904 digested loads that were horribly out-of-spec, and seemed to thrive on it.
    A 3913 is very much like the CS9, but I like the CS9 better, don't know why.
    I like the mags on the CS9, and I understand that 3913 mags work fine in the CS9, if you don't like the pinkie-rest mags that come with the CS9.
     
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    Why don't you like small ejection ports? My CZ75 and P7 are 2 of my most reliable guns.
     
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    Without the Glock 26 as a choice, what's the point?

    And, yeah, where's the Kahr?
     
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    I've handled the CS9, the RAMI and the SIG. I haven't shot any of them. I just got a CZ 75B 9mm and it shoots great for me. Personally I would get the RAMI. You're going to have to figure it out for yourself though :D

    After verifying how much I really like my CZ 75B tonight my plans for my next 2 handgun purchases are a CZ 75B Compact and a RAMI.
     
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    none on the poll. :D

    Kahr PM9 or SA XD-9 Subcompact. :)
     
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    I have seen the light, and it is spelled P C R. :D
     
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    Small ejection port or not.......they are two of the most reliable guns around.............HK and CZ.

    The CS9 is a great gun....but is a chunk in my hands......Id take a 3913 first.
    The 239 is larger than the others and a great gun....just too big for what it is or does.
    The CZ is a shooter and the 40 I have impresses me with its accuracy and function. The 9mm would be a softer shooter by a long shot.

    The choice is the HK and is still large but about as good as they get.

    Shoot well.
     
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