best choice for rattlesnakes?

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Glad to see a lot of charitable, wise responses suggesting avoidance and relocation before killing. I used to deal with 'em by use of a snake stick, pinning, bagging the relocation. Real men catch 'em live. ;)

Make sure you teach the kids how to handle themselves in snake country ... cognizant of the weather (no rattlers in winter), don't put your hands / feet where you can't see what's around, good boots for brush, etc.

Truth is, when I hunted snakes live with friends, we often came up empty handed. They are seldom as common as most people think, and stories of them chasing hunters, etc. are BS.

Enjoy your new home, as well as the wildlife.

Regards from TX
 
I remember many years ago at 29 Stumps, an M-60 tank did a real fine job on a Mohave rattler's head. We did the rest with a skinnin' knife, nice hot fire and some seasoning salt.
Tasty.
 
You need a Ranger. Awesome Anti-Snake Weapon
I got two of them:D This one's technique is to snatch them up by the tail and fling them into the air repeatedly...keeps him busy for hours:D

So far he hasn't been bitten, or it didn't show if he was, but my little dog got it twice in the last year and her face swells up like a sharpei - it looks hilarious, I wished I'd taken a picture of it last time.


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Anybody else ever hear of turkeys attaking and killing snakes. I have a real fun book on rattlesnake lore packed away somewhere that tells that story. Of course the same book tells about a cowboy who was bitten in the foot and killed by a rattler and his boots were passed down to a friend who died soon after and to another friend who also died soon after and so on until somebody looled at the boots and found a fang stuck in one of the boots that was killing the men. Fun book, full of crap but fun.
 
I know barnyard turkeys will go after snakes, so will geese and ginny hens (someone help me with the spelling here), but I never had any around hot snakes, just little black rat snakes. Just a caution on anti-venin, accepted practice of treatment now is to leave it alone, many more people have complications from the anti-venin than from the snake bite. The snakes in the US really aren't that bad.
 
Rattle snakes are not as common around here as they once were.

Rattlesnakes do not always rattle.

Rattlesnakes can kill your dog. (trust me, I learned the hard way)

Rattlesnakes near your home should die.

IF you want to leave them in the wild that's fine. One within seein' distance of the house soon to be dead.

Do NOT introduce hogs to control snakes (I hope that was a joke) I'd gladly take a pasture full of snakes over hogs. Snakes aren't as prolific or economically damaging. Snakes are easier to control.

Rattlesnakes mating is a rare sight. I killed to that were...ummm...still stuck together. It was amazing the amount of people that wanted to see that.

Rattlesnakes are occasionaly eaten by Bullsnakes. SAVE THE BULLSNAKES

Cats will not keep snakes away. They pretty much ignore each other.

Snakes will crawl over a catch rope. (BUt its a good story to get the kids to sleep on a campout)

Rattlesnake, battered and fried, does not taste like chicken, it tastes like crap.

If you decide to skin a snake, go jump in the septic tank first to cover the smell.

Cottonmouths scare me more than any rattlesnake.

Snake facts by Smoke
 
"killing them just because they are snakes is childish, ecologically ignorant, and potentially dangerous"

But it doesn't make me a bad person....right???:eek:
 
Just a caution on anti-venin, accepted practice of treatment now is to leave it alone, many more people have complications from the anti-venin than from the snake bite. The snakes in the US really aren't that bad.

I hope this is a joke! antivenom had always been horse serum based. This kind of anti venom DOES cause a good deal of serious reactions. The practice of using it for all vemonous bites has long been stopped. What this means is: it is only used when a bite is deemed to be limb or life threatening, and the new non-horse serum derived crotalid anti venom is not available. In medicine the the disease must be worse than the cure. However, many poisonous snakes in the US can be VERY deadly! We don't ahve as many people die of them here as they do in Asia or Africa, but if you get a bad enough envenomation you may be better off to get the proper treatment. If you need the older serum (the newer one may be unavailable in some places, or not in enough time), there are procedures for dealing with potential complications, before and if after they MIGHT occur.
Many snakes in the US are not that bad... but to say that all of them "really aren't that bad" could cause someone reading this to flat out refuse treatment when it could save their life. There are at four types of indigenous snakes (and MANY imported poisonous pet snakes), that all can potentially kill someone!
Too keep this a technically gun related post: If you MUST shoot a snake wouldn't it be cool to use snake shot in a Cobra Carry?! (by the way, does anyone have one, and do they like it?)
 
Try mesquite ...burn it down to coals. Maranade in Dale's sauce for an hour. Salt and pepper. Only turn the meat once.
The best killer of snakes is an eight foot section of grey outdoor conduit...just whack 'em...then use the hoe to cut off his head. All very quiet. :D
Mark. or your favorite firearm...22 to 12 ga.
 
"killing them just because they are snakes is childish, ecologically ignorant, and potentially dangerous"

But it doesn't make me a bad person....right???

I feel the same way about snakes as I do about guns (almost).
1) use your own as you see fit (if its found on your property it's yours)
2) Don't touch anyone else's unless they consent
3) Never point it at anything unless you plan to shoot it.
4) Snakes don't kill people, people kill people! (O.K. this is not true but I'm tired and probably too silly to be writing a post) But Guns Don't!
5) Make sure it is not hot before you handle it without extreme caution
6) You shouldn't need a license to own one, but you should be a responsible owner
7) You can never have too many!
8) Don't tell your neighbors how many you have.
9) "Don't Tread on Me!"
:)
 
I hope this is a joke! antivenom had always been horse serum based. This kind of anti venom DOES cause a good deal of serious reactions. The practice of using it for all vemonous bites has long been stopped. What this means is: it is only used when a bite is deemed to be limb or life threatening, and the new non-horse serum derived crotalid anti venom is not available. In medicine the the disease must be worse than the cure. However, many poisonous snakes in the US can be VERY deadly!

I'm not a medical person, but have done a little reading up on it (particularly the veterinary side) because of the proximity of venomous snakes to my home, and I recently read a veterinary piece from a vet out in Arizona somewhere who treats a lot of rattlesnake bites in canines and felines andhe is very reluctant to give the anti-venom. He seemed particularly more concerned that a second anti-venom treatment is likely to be very harmful to dogs, and stressed that pound for pound canines and felines don't do as badly with poisonous envenomations as do humans.

The folk wisdom in my neighborhood is "nahh, don't worry about it, snakebites don't hurt cats and dogs any...." - which isn't strictly true, I had to have a copperhead bitten cat put down a few years ago because it caught a secondary infection after the snakebite that got down into it's jawbone.
 
The Scene:

Twelve year old pax is hiking along with her daddy during deer season some years back. They are walking along a trail which runs halfway up a steep mountainside, with a steepish cliff on the left side and a steepish drop off on the other side. Little pax is in front. Suddenly, her dad grabs her to make her stand still, and there is a rattlesnake in the middle of the trail.

We are both carrying deer rifles, but neither of us has a walking stick. Obviously it is just plain stupid to shoot a deer rifle into a pile of rocks. There don't appear to be any nearby sticks of the right length. There are plenty of loose rocks.

Dad's standing policy on rattlesnakes is to kill 'em all, whenever spotted. Even if that weren't his usual policy, there was no way back to the truck except down this particular trail with no way to go around the rattlesnake (which incidentally was plainly not going anywhere, was right in the middle of the trail, and was buzzing furiously at us).

So we commenced to killing that snake. Dad dropped a very large rock on her head, and both of us followed up with multiple other large rocks hurled down on her head and the rest of her body.

On her head? How do I know it was a her? Simple. Rattlesnakes are live bearers -- they do not lay eggs like most snakes do. They give birth to live young.

I learned this right there on the spot. The dead rattlesnake's "guts" suddenly started slithering every which direction.

There were at least 14 of them.

*shudder*

pax

The question seldom addressed is where Medusa had snakes. Underarm hair is an even more embarassing problem when it keeps biting the top of the deodorant bottle. -- Terry Pratchett
 
No snake that does not pose an immediate threat should be killed. They are an important part of the eco system. Tossing small rocks would have made the snake leave and solved any immediate threat or you could simply have left it alone and it probably would have been gone by the time you came back.
If there is an overpopulation problem in the area or if they set up house keeping or are in the immidiate vicinity of your home it may be prudent to kill them otherwise leave them alone.
That just good eco conservation
 
No snake that does not pose an immediate threat should be killed. They are an important part of the eco system

My rule of thumb is that if it's poisonous or a danger to my poultry and in close proximity to my home it's dead. In the woods I typically wouldn't kill a snake unless I have a specific reason - like if it's big enough to make a hatband out of:D
 
No snake that does not pose an immediate threat should be killed. They are an important part of the eco system.
That might be so. But then, I consider my family and friends to be a mite bit more important than any snake. Por eso I have, and will continue to, kill any and all lethal snakes I find anywhere that those individuals might decide to stroll.
 
This bring to memory the first time I ever shot a snake though...

It was years ago when I was about 10, and I was at my grandfathers ranch in south Texas. It was a cow feeding morning and I was getting antsy because nobody seemed in a hurry to get started (growing up feeding the cows was my favorite ranch job, plus I got to go shooting once we were done). I loaded my grandfathers 22 pistol (an old 9 shot revolver) that my grandmother had once used to do trick shooting with. Put everything in the pickup, found myself ready to go and waited....and waited....and waited, the men were in another one of those never ending adult discussions. Finally somebody tossed me the keys to the truck and told me to go load a few bales of hay from the hay barn (in hind sight I think it was just to get me out of their hair). Always excited to get the opportunity to drive on my own, I listened with thinly veiled impatience while I got the usual safety lectures about snakes. You know, “always lift the bale away from youâ€, and “don’t get close to one, they can strike from farther away than you thinkâ€, just the usual stuff.

Well, after the 75 second drive to the barn (and that includes a gate) I backed up to the stack of bales and started loading those incredibly heavy things (at least they were at the time, I don’t think they make them as heavy as the used to). I had a couple loaded and all the sudden I heard it! A rattle! I think I jumped up and backwards about 5 feet, and landed on top of the hood. I surveyed the ground for any of the evil creatures, leery of their incredible striking capabilities and not just a little afraid that I mind end up snake bitten while hiding on top of the truck. I found the thing coiled up no more than ten or fifteen feet away, all set to bite me! Being bitten while hiding on the truck hood didn’t seem a very noble way to go, so I decided I should at least try to kill it before it killed me. I wasn’t supposed to shoot without some supervision, but I figured my parents would rather have me alive to spank rather than dead to bemoan that silly rule.

After crawling across the top of the truck to the bed, I carefully stretched as far as I could into the open window to grab the pistol. “Crap (at that age that was the limit of my expletives), too far away†I thought. Deciding that if that snake was going to bite me anyway I might as well be bitten while trying to get the pistol, I went ahead and made a dive (the likes of which any Olympic class diver would have been proud of) through the open window expecting the snake to bite the soles of my feet, I could almost feel the snake breathing on me through the soles of my boots. I grabbed my only chance of survival (driving away would have been just to embarrassing, how could I call myself a man if I ran from a snake?) and aimed... Just in time I remembered how I had been told that shooting from inside the cab could make you go deaf (ok so they exaggerated a tad). I carefully stepped out of the cab with pistol in hand, dutifully aware of the snakes ability to strike from farther away than you expect. Again I aimed for the head....and aimed for the head....and aimed for the head.

“Crap! Why can’t he just stop moving his head around?â€

Deciding that even snakes have some sort of vital organs I shot at the more steady body of the snake...nothing happened. Judging by the increase in rattling apparently the noise annoyed the snake. So I shot again, and again, and again...click.

“Oh no! Must be bad ammoâ€.

I quickly emptied the cylinder and re-loaded. As I was doing this I noticed from the brass that came out of the cylinder, that not only was the ammo faulty, somehow the factory had forgotten to even put a bullet, or even powder in the brass. That seemed odd, but I couldn’t afford it more thought, there was a deadly snake right on my heels that I had to kill. Again I pulled the trigger over and over again, after but a moment I realized that most of the box must have been bad ammo! I groaned at my luck, and with blazing speed I reloaded yet again. My fingers were loading so fast and I was shooting so fast the individual cracks became a roar of mighty firepower. Before I knew it I was completely out of ammo. It had required an entire 50 round box of 22’s to lay low the mighty snake, but by golly, there he was all bloody, and as the roar from my mighty pistol subsided I was aware of the sounds of silence. I had won! Thoughts of a snakeskin belt, or maybe a new pair of snakeskin boots filled my head. I started to walk towards the snake but just in time I remembered that even a dead snake could strike, something about “muscle memoryâ€. Not quite sure how a muscle remembers something I nonetheless marveled at the incredible killing abilities of the lowly snake from a safe distance across the barn.

As the heat of battle melted away I carefully approached and noticed that there where lots of holes in the body, nowhere near 50 but I figured that was ok since a lot of that ammo had come from the factory without any bullets or powder. Beginning to fear that my new belt was ruined and boots would be completely out of the question. I found some long sticks and drug the snake out to the grass. I loaded the rest of the hay and drove back to the house, saddened at my loss of a snakeskin belt, but proud of having overcome what had to be one of the deadliest animals known to man. I pulled into the driveway and steeled myself for the intense interrogation I knew I would face for having shot without permission. My grandfather and dad walked out and looked at me. My dad said, “I heard you shooting up there, what happened?†After I told them about the mighty battle that had raged just a few hundred yards from the house, my bravery was rewarded with forgiveness from my dad and a comment fro grandfather, “It took you a whole box?â€
 
thanks

I definitely got the answers I am looking for! Thanks!

BTW: yes, it is my mother. Not that i would send my M.I.L. into the rattler's den either. Just a lucky guy I guess.

OK,
Cut grass really short.
Pour a concrete patio so i havea 'for sure' open and un-grassy area.
Cedar chips and/or moth balls under porch and wherever else.
no junk piles in yard.
long handled shovel nearby.
Reserve caliber of choice (Thunder-5 45/410 with birdshot?) only for the ones that are an imminent threat.

Sounds effective, reasonable and ecologically responsible.
C-
 
Claymores, cpileri, you forgot the claymores!


And the quad .50s. Gotta have quad .50s, right?


:D


Say, how do snakes like pepper spray? ;)
 
Say, how do snakes like pepper spray?
No they don't. Capsasin is one of the new pesticides on the market. We use it mostly for ants and spiders. But snakes definetly don't like it. Black snakes at least. It should work on rattlers but probably not on moccasins for the same reasons mothballs don't work on them.
 
I live out in Wyoming and we have more than our fair share of rattlers out here. Personally, I'm willing to use anything I can to kill one. The most fun has to be a pistol though. If its looking at you (and somehow they always are) you can point the gun at it, move it side to side very slowly it will follow the barrel of the gun with its head. then when you fire it will actually strike the bullet. No idea why they do that, but its funny as hell when its all over. Don't forget that they're still deadly even after they stop breathing.
 
I am really impressed by the lack of hysteria here. I'm definitely in the "leave it alone or relocate it" camp, but I dont believe that anyone has said not to kill one that is a clear and present danger to people/pets/livestock. Rattlers are rare and protected where I live. Because they are'nt common. people tend to over-react to any sighting

Couple of points:

"Snakebite Survivors Club" - decent read about peoples encounters with snakes (Also recommended: Beast in the Garden. Cougar / human interactions, balanced viewpoints.

The photos I have seen of tissue damage from rattlesnake envenomation is absolutely horrific. Antivenin or not, its not good.

Steve Irwin is an idiot. He'll get nailed, its just a matter of time and karma.

If every copperhead people reported seeing around my area was an actual copperhead, copperheads would be almost as common as 3 to 4 foot sticks lying on the ground;)
 
then when you fire it will actually strike the bullet.
I have read that in old cowboy tales, and wondered if it was really true.

Probably works better with a slower round like a 38 special or 45 long colt (standard load).

I have a similar story to ahenry ... I once used up 12 22's on a 6 foot rattler. Not much vital area to hit, and at close range the bullet is still below the line of sight.

A 3/4 ton gmc pickup works pretty good to kill them :)
 
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