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Best Fighting Shotguns (Modified or unmodified)

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by Chris Plitt, Sep 14, 2008.

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  1. Chris Plitt

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    I submit this post for the review of all the members of THR.org.


    What model do you feel is the best all-around combat shotgun in both the auto and pump arenas, with respect to the following areas:

    a - Price
    b - Reliability
    c - Availability
    d - Customization



    On my personal choices:

    Auto - Remington 1100
    It doesnt matter if you go tactical model or the standard model, its a great auto that works, and when it doesnt, parts are easy to come by. The price is not bad at all, the reliability isn't quite top notch but pretty good, availability is great, and the custom arena is alright. Its not the best by any means, but it doesn't have a bad balance of features.

    Price = 7
    Reliability = 7
    Availability = 10
    Custom = 5

    Pump - Mossberg 500
    I think this is one that won't get many arguements for THR crowd. This is easily to the most available shotgun, the most customized, one of THE most reliable and as far as cost... one of the lowest. One of the best balance of features on a pump, and when you get down to comparison, the only shotgun that I feel comes close is the Remington 870, although it loses out in price.

    Price = 9
    Reliability = 9
    Availability = 10
    Custom = 10





    So now its your turn, give me your picks... it doesnt have to be in that format, I just want everyone to know what I look at. Just give me who you like and why... and if you don't like mine... then let me know!

    -Chris
     
  2. DaleCooper51

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    I'd say it was the one that is reliable, fits well, the controls are second nature, and you have with you when you need it.
     
  3. buster1

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    Don't overlook the Mossburg 590. I love mine.
     
  4. Chris Plitt

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    @buster1

    I completely agree with you on the 590, but thats kinda true with all Mossberg shotguns, I wouldn't hesitate to throw the Mavericks into there as well, they are about the only thing that beats a Mossberg on price, even though its pretty much the same thing.

    @DaleCooper

    I agree with you as well, any shotgun that fits your criteria is what you should look at, but IMHO, a Mossberg seems to fit all of those, I can't stand the trigger guard push button safety... I know the 1100 has one, but it just doesn't feel natural.
     
  5. chas08

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    For me, that would be an unmodified 870 with a 18.5" barrel and the plug removed. :)
     

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  6. PJR

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    Wrong order of priorities.

    1) Reliability -- if it doesn't work and you can't work it then the rest doesn't matter.
    2) Availability -- if you can't get it then the rest doesn't matter.
    3) Price -- if you sacrifice #1 for #3 then you don't value your life
    4) Custom options -- the least important because it better have what you need out of the box.

    Auto -- Benelli M2 Tactical with ghost rights. Reliable, durable, dependable, easy to operate and good to go right away. I've had too many 1100 failures to ever trust my life to one. Yes it's expensive but see #3 above.

    Pump -- Remington 870P with 18.5" barrel, ghost rings and magazine extension. It's only slightly better than the Mossberg but still better.
     
  7. sadp40

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    mossberg 500/590

    tang safety, lighter weight than 870, no she's not a prom queen h&k or benelli but she's earned her bones in war zones all over the world she's a tough biker chick who won't fold under pressure.
     
  8. Chris Plitt

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    @PJR

    I completely agree with you, I just threw those together as they came about in my head. I should have structured it like you said, but I didnt. I have had an 870 or two and as far as the action I seem to lean to it more, its not that I don't trust a Mossberg, because I obviously picked it, but theres just something sloppy about a Mossberg action, not sloppy in a bad way, its just that the 870s feel like an AR to me, tolerance wise, and the Mossberg like an AK. You know what they say, some people feel that the rattle of an AK (Mossberg) is the most comforting sound in the world.

    And I'd like to revise my 1100 statement. I was looking around at Benelli Novas today and have found that they are FAR MORE AFFORDABLE than I remember. True its not an M_, but neither is an 1100.
     
  9. JShirley

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    PJR,

    Reliability is extremely important, but: let's say that a SPAS-12 was considered to be the ultimate in reliability. How many people could reasonably afford it (assuming they could find it)? If any firearm is priced out of range, it doesn't matter how reliable it is, because few will ever be able to afford it.

    Most modern quality shotguns are reliable enough for defensive duty, and Remington and Mossberg especially are easy to find accessories for.

    Welcome to THR, Mr. Plitt.

    John
     
  10. ds92

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    Mossberg 930 special purpose

    drop-dead reliable
    cheap
    easy (ish) to customize
     
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    1. Pump, 870 21" choke tube barrel. Full Mag entension.
    2.Auto, Benelli or Beretta 21" or 24" choke tubes full mag extensions.
     
  12. Dave McCracken

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    Best fighting shotgun?

    Whatever reliable, reasonably durable shotgun you've pushed 1000 rounds through since St Crispin's day and know the way your tongue knows your teeth.
     
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    We had a few 500s in Iraq and those things stood up to a ton of abuse. Great shotgun.

    But I think I like the 870 better. mainly because of ergonomics concerning modified stocks. I really like a pistol grip with the stock and the 870's safety is easier to use in that respect.
     
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  14. Chris Plitt

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    @C-Grunt

    I do appreciate your service to this fine country! Like I mentioned in a previous post, that safety is one of the features I dont like about the 870s. However, I have had issues with the tang safety on 500s getting lose.
     
  15. Girodin

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    I would agree PJRs rankings. If it is not reliable then I wouldn't even bother looking at the other things. I dont care how cheap or expensive, how common or how rare a weapon is if it is not reliable it makes no difference to me.

    Price is tricky because it is so subjective. For some people the difference between a $300 shotgun and $600 one is negligable. For others it might be the difference between eating that month or not.

    I also agree with Dave McCracken's assement of best. Best for one person is not forcedly best for another.

    That said my picks are the following (given equal familiarity and profeciency with all possible choices)

    Pump: Remington 870

    Auto: Saiga 12
     
  16. Dimis

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    Mossberg 590 nothing needed out of the box and mine has so far been damn neer indestructable itll eat any ammo i throw in it it accepts 9 2 3/4 shells or 8 3 inchers the heat shield is nice the safty is stupid proof its comfortable (i dont like pistol grip AR style buttstocks) and when i pull the trigger it goes BOOM!!!!
    i love it so much im thinking of getting another mossberg or 10 lol ive shot remingtons and agree there very nice as well but ergonomics come into play with the slide release and thats the only reason i denied it as a combat/protection shotgun

    if you cant get the 590 the 500 pursuader is pretty nice too it holds 8 shells (9 if you buy a 590 follower or file the stock one) the ammo tube runs the whole barrel leangth giving it a nice clean apearance without add on extentions

    as for semi autos i personaly dont like the idea of using one in a defencive role but... if i had to i think id take the mossberg 930SPX as mentioned earlier its as reliable as any other semi auto out there either that or the Saiga 12 (that rattle of an ak lol) if price wasnt a concern id go for a benelli M3 super 90 or a spas 12 IMHO pump and auto is a good idea helps with the jamming issues of semi autos i mean honestly theres a huge reason our military has used pumps for this long

    oh and for SNGs either a winchester M97 (or the norinco copy) or a good solid Browning BPS with a 20 inch barrel in 10 gauge lol

    and in imagination land the 8 gauge hippo from Halo lol

    ok im done being silly now
     
  17. Chris Plitt

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    @Girodin

    Thats very interesting, I've never thought of the Saiga 12 as a defensive gun, I mean, theres no reason it can't be. I remember an article awhile back in one of the gun magazines talking about using old duck guns as home defense (even with 28" barrels). I've got nothing against the Saiga 12 in any way, I've just never thought of that!

    (BTW: In a follow up to that article, someone said that the most frightening sound in the world is the cycling of a pump action in the dark - if you're not holding it - but he continued saying, why reveal your hand? Why not just lay down some 00 Buck in their chest, that will be scary enough ;) )

    @Dimis
    I will say I kinda agree with you on the pump vs auto side, If I had the option of both, I'd take both, but if I could only choose one, it would be a pump. One thing I have noticed recently is the decline in price on the plain jane BPS models. They are pretty comparable in price, but I haven't ventured much into the searching for custom options, nor have I ever owned one to attest to its reliability. I assume it is pretty reliable, it sells pretty well here in the south, but like I said, I cant attest to it - so I won't knock it or promote it, the true NO SPIN ZONE... other than the spin from the barrel.
     
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    just a responce on articles in one of my gun mags the reviewer was discussing the 590 and stated that the oposing side didnt fear the M4s nearly as much as the boomstick 12 gauge lol
     
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    BTW the sound of a Saiga-12 bolt slamming a round home is louder than the sound of a pump. But the loudest sound of all is the sound of buckshot headed down a hallway.
     
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    Dimis...I can tell you that in 03 when we were in Baghdad, all the Iraqis were in awe of the shotgun. I was standing with my buddy who had a Mossberg 500 and I had my SAW. All the people were pointing at the shotgun and called it "the pump action" in their best Van Dam impression. They get all knowledge of it from the movies so it is feared by all. Next to him I might as well been carrying a broom.
     
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    I think in a defensive situtation the person useing the wepon shotgun pistol whatever is more important then the wepon it self


    I 'll but money on my old algebra II teacher mr. farernt , how is in his 50's, to kick all our a**'s with a spoon.

    He was a black beret witch is higher than a ranger nowadays
     
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    @C-Grunt

    I've heard pretty much the same thing from anyone coming out of the sandbox, the local people are in awe of the shotgun - point and say "pump akshun." Or so I've heard. You were a brave soul, I hear that the SAW gunners are the target of choice for insurgency snipers these days. I've talked with a few of the LE guys around here and they all seem to be big supporters of the shotgun, with regards to the situation. My wifes uncle is a state trooper and said he would prefer the shotgun until the other guy has a rifle - then he'd like to have an HK91 or G3, anything that throws a 7.62mm round... but thats for a different discussion!
     
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    I like my 870 SBS. :)

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    Fighting shotgun?

    In the auto category I really lean hard towards the saiga 12. Been getting to know these quite well over the last few years. I know of one personally that's over 6,000 rounds, power ranges from #8bird to OO buck. Runs wonderfully. Always has.

    One of my personal ones is over 500 now with no hiccups.

    The drawback/advatage(depending on specific situation) is the detatchable magazines. Fastest full capacity reload you've ever seen. But you can't select a load for a specfic need without removing the mag. With a pump, as long as you're one down, you just stuff it in the magazine and pump once.
     
  25. Chris Plitt

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    @PTK

    Yeah, yeah, Don't rub it in. That is the one thing that is a no go in Alabama. There is a way around it though. If you purchase a shotgun/rifle that was made/designated as a pistol grip from the factory, then you can have it converted and listed as an AOW. Im contemplating having it done on a Mossberg persuader!
     
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