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best place to buy Federal HST 147gr +P? (P9HST4)

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  1. gofastman

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    A place by my house carries it, but doesn't have any in stock and says it could be up to 90 days before they get more.

    where is a good place to get it online?

    also, whats the deal with the +P rating on this stuff? it looks like they only bumped the velocity up by about 50fps, I would assume that would just barley make it into +p territory pressure wise :confused:
     
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    ^I see HydraShocks, but no Tactical HST
     
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    they are out of stock sometimes. I have bought both 40 S & W and 45 ACP HST from them. You kinda have to check frequently. I will say I have not purchased 9mm from them.

    Their prices are pretty competitive and delivery is fast.
     
  5. Shawn Dodson

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    $35.00/50 rds

    http://www.policehq.com/Products/FC-9HST

    +P relates to cartridge pressure (increased pressure above SAAMI standard specification)

    Increased pressure may produce only modest velocity increase

    IMO the $10 added cost for the +P load isn't worth it

    Standard 147gr is $2500/50 rds
     
  6. gofastman

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    that's the place by my house, lol

    My question about the +P part of it was more that order to bump that velocity up 50fps
    how much far over the 35,000psi mark do they have to go? surely they wouldn't load it up to 38,500 and only gain 50fps, or would they???
    in other words, compared to other +P loads I'm guessing this is relatively mild, more of an advertising thing?
     
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    Different bullet designs have different resistance as they travel down the bore and this may be a factor here. More resistance = more pressure. More resistance = modest velocity increase.
     
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    i think i would go for the +p 147grn. not a fan of that weight in 9mm at all, and HST is the only brand i would use for that. don't think i'd pay $10/box extra for it though....
     
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    Really? SD ammo and you are worried about a ten dollar bill?
     
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    +P isn't necessary for reliable consistent terminal performance with the HST 147gr bullet. So, yeah, why pay extra for "premium" when it provides no performance increase over "regular".
     
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    ^ Can you cite evidence for this claim?
     
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    the only reason im looking at the +P stuff is that im shooting it out of a 3.2" barrel.
    I find 147gr loads easier to shoot for some reason, even the super duper hot doubletap stuff.
     
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    I just ordered some from KylesGunshop.com
    we'll see if that will tide me over till Streicher's gets more in stock
     
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    HGUNHTR writes:
    With a velocity gain of 50 fps I don't feel compelled to provide any evidence.

    gofastman: I carry a Kahr PM-9, which has a 3" bbl. I load it with Speer 124gr Gold Dot +P.
     
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    yes but the PM9 has polygonal rifling which boost velocity considerably, right?
     
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    times how many boxes the OP wants to order? yes, that factors in with me. :scrutiny:


    google is your friend. there's a million expansion tests for this round that substantiate what he posted. HST is probably the only 147gr 9mm that expands with near perfect consistency.
     
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    There is a big difference between saving $10 and getting a subpar product, and saving $10 and getting a perfectly legitimate product. I'm glad to pay for quality SD ammo, I just don't like to overpay for what I get.
     
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    My time is also worth money, and the amount of time spent talking this intot he ground has accumulated to more than $10.
     
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    I either need a better job or you need to type faster.:D
     
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    well I got the stuff today.
    It looks like really good ammo; wide, deep cavity in the bullet, sealant around the primers (I think that's what it is) and shiny nickle plated brass.
    cant wait to run the stuff out of my new PT709 and get some results with the new chrony!
     
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    I've never seen compelling evidence that polygonal rifling has such an effect. :scrutiny:
     
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    I like the powerball ammo for HD. Wikipedia, "i think that's how you spell it" has a very good explanation of polygonal rifling, along with what it actually does and does not do.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygonal_rifling
     
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    For Winchester Ranger T-Series which i like just as much as the HST this place has the best prices.
    http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/pistol-ammunition/9mm-9x19
    I use the T-series in my .40 and .45 both for ccw.

    ammunitiontogo seems to carry the HST in the .40 and .45 more than the 9mm iirc.
    But they are always priced higher than SGammo, But ive bought from both places and happy with both also.
     
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    I'd hardly call a list of unsubstantiated claims a good explanation. :scrutiny: Some of them don't even make inherent sense, such as the first one: "Not compromising the barrel's thickness in the area of each groove as with traditional rifling." Oh, really? So how does a non-cylindrical bore not have such a "compromise" in barrels that are generally cylindrical on the outside? Some areas must be thinner than others when the shapes are not identical, right? This sure makes me wonder how well-researched and supported the other claims must be....
     
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