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Best rifle for a beginner?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Mastrogiacomo, Aug 3, 2003.

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  1. Mastrogiacomo

    Mastrogiacomo Member

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    New to long guns and want to know what's the best rifle and caliber for a small person -- female, 5'2", 114lbs. A .22? This isn't for hunting, just for the gun range target shooting. On a budget and looking for something in a decent price range. Thanks.
     
  2. BDM

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    Get an AR15 with the M4 or lite weight barrel carbine form would be easiest to handle hardly no kick and you can always get a conversion kit to shoot .22s,ARs are easy to maintain and very reliable I own 2 bushmasters mine is a pre ban carbine and my wifes a post ban M4 type she weighs a little more than you and is 2 inches taller and she loves the AR,she swore shed never shoot mine her loving handguns then she did and I had to buy one for her.ARs are a little pricy but you will have 2 guns in 1.
     
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    IMO you should start with a .22 possibly in a bolt rifle that she can get used to before getting into "the evil black gun". Got nothing against AR's, love them myself but they are a different gun to get used to.
    I started my wife out with CB.22's in an old bolt rifle, no noise but were very fun to shoot.
     
  4. ACP230

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    A standard Ruger 10/22 might be a good starting point.
    They have a stock that is short enough to fit smaller people and aren't too expensive.
    There are a lot of accessories around if you get tired of the standard look. Ten round magazines are standard and fit inside the stock, instead of sticking out. That makes for easier carrying.
    Ruger 10/22s can be quite accurate. I put peep sights on one years ago and shot a nine round group that I carried around in my wallet for several years.

    I would start with some kind of a .22 Long Rifle, not a .22 Centerfire. Ammo is cheaper and shooting lots of ammo helps skill develop.

    Some people don't like beginners to start with an autoloader, but they can always be single loaded. My sons did a lot of learning on my 10/22 and they are safe gun handlers and good shots now.
     
  5. BDM

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    All I can say if a starter rifle were an issue the military would use them too,women are perfectly capable on handling an AR,Ive seen women start off with the M1 and thats way more a handful.if price is a concern go with a .22 if not an AR would be a worthwile investment and probably be a rifle you keep forever,in the times we live in get one while you can.And remember you can always get a .22 conversion kit and shoot cheap .22s out of it,an AR is a high powered .22 why start out with the prince when you can have the king,I learned on an auto loader an M1,my father is an army veteran so we were taught,my brother and I to shoot at a young age ,at 10 it was the rifle I started with and I went on from there,in colonial days fathers taught sons and the whole family to shoot the rifle that hung above the fire place,big bore single shot muskets or the shotgun.
    although people would disagree and say smaller for the beginner I think size stature and stregnth would dictate weapon and the AR is greta for small stature how much you weigh dont matter as much as how strong you are man or women,I was big and strong at 10 so I could handle the rifle,it depends on the individual I know there are ranges in manchester new hampshire that rent guns at the range that provides such a service ,tyr them both out and see what you can handle then make a decision.
     
  6. Brian Williams

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    Get a Savage MKII in 22 LR. they can be had for $125+-20, great little guns accurate and you can put a scope on later. They can be had in wood or synthetic, blue or stainless. They have a varmint\target model with a bull barrel that is verrrrryyyy Accurate, but they cost a little more.
     
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    I recommend a 22LR for a beginner target shooter.

    You can't beat rimfire for cost effectiveness and ease of shooting. Besides, everybody needs at least one .22 rifle. Just start out with it. She can get a centerfire rifle once she gets hooked.

    I'm real impressed with the CZ-452 .22 rifles. They are pricy by me, but some folks on the board have said they've seen them in the mid $200 range. They are a very attractive, high quality and accurate rifle.

    I bought one as a gift for somebody else, but ended up getting a used BRNO Model 1 from J&G for myself. The BRNO #1 is basically cold war era CZ-452.

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  8. Mastrogiacomo

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    Thanks for the recommendations so far. I have to stay away from AR guns as it was tough enough to get my permit upgrade. I can't get those guns even if I wanted it. The Ruger appeals to me for the barrel length. I remember when I tried out holding the shotguns -- I damn near fell under the weight of the Remy 26" but more manageable -- yet still heavy for the 21." Sounds like it'd be fun to shoot .22s all day. How is this gun for taking apart to clean?
     
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    I'll toss in another recommendation for the 10/22. It's my first (and currently only) rifle, comfortable and cheap to shoot, and easy to customize with lots of aftermarket accessories. It is pretty simple to take apart, but as far cleaning goes, evidently not many people really clean their 10/22s ;). I've been using something called the Patchworm that works well.
     
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    Start out big! Go with a 50cal. :what:

    Naw, AR15 would be just right.

    Johnny in Huntsville
     
  11. Mastrogiacomo

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    I like a lot of the Ruger rimfire and centerfire rifles. I'd like to start out with the .22 though and excited to see my local shop has it for under $200. :D

    When I move up to the centerfire -- what's the best caliber to jump to?
     
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    Another FERVENT vote for the CZ 452. I got mine $218 out the door, shoots and looks like it cost twice that.

    For a new target shooter, there's nothing to beat a bolt action .22, and for a bolt action .22 you can't do much better for the money than the CZ.


    -K

    edit... hrmm.. well, if you're sold on the Rugers.. :)

    I'd still strongly suggest you stick with a bolt action, for psychological reasons if nothing else. I can say this.. I have a much harder time blowing off the little devil whispering in my ear "go ahead, rush this shot... you have a whole mag where that came from" with a single-loaded bolt action than I do with a semi. I hear that's not uncommon.

    As far as centerfire...well, if you're still only looking at targets I'm gonna think .223 is a good idea.. lotsa cheap ammo out there for it.
     
  13. Art Eatman

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    No flies on a 10/22, but realize that like many .22s they can be picky about which ammo groups best. As near as I can tell, quality or price doesn't affect this issue. Dunno why, except "They're picky!"

    Centerfire? First, figure out whatcha gonna do with it. Then come back and holler. :)

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    Another vote for the CZ 452. The .22 I wish I had. Its a quality rifle. You'll enjoy it for a lifetime. It will give you confidence because is it accurate. Its easy to clean (all boltguns are).

    Some folks may find this controversial, but I think bolt guns are better for starting out than autoloaders, because they are inherently safer. Once you fire a boltgun, you have to go through several significant actions before it will fire again. With an autoloader, once you fire it, it will fire again with only a small movement of the trigger. And its easy to remove a magazine and leave one in the chamber, etc.

    A 10/22 is a fine rifle. You would enjoy it too. But the CZ will likely be more accurate, and easier to maintain. So it'll have a higher fun/effort ratio.
     
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    Another strong recommendation for the CZ-452. There are several models available, with reasonably good iron sights, and they can easily be scoped. They seem to be one of the few .22's that is not really picky about ammunition, which is a big help! :D
     
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    CZ. I have and like the 10/22, as well as a Remington 541T, and a Savage MkII (my daughter's). But were I buying a new .22 today, it would be the CZ. I second the recommendations for a bolt action for a first time shooter. My experience has been that semi-autos (like the 10/22) can contribute to developing bad habbits. Generally speaking the "average" bolt action will also shoot more accurately than the "average" semi-auto. The 10/22 is a great plinker, and it is also a great platform for a project gun (addition of custom barrels, stocks, internals, etc.). But a good bolt-action is likely to be more accurate out of the box. And the CZ has got to be one of the best "bangs for the buck" on the market today.
     
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    I started as a wee lad with a 22lr bolt, iron sights. Some really solid foundations get set in. Kaylee is right , It's one shot at a time. Plus just great inexpenive fun. Find the ammo it likes and buy a truckful. I still use iron sights and its really a lot of fun to hunt squirrels rabbits small game.

    Another idea check the pawn shops, I found a single shot Rem mod 514 for $50-60 , tweaked the trigger and a grown person shouldn't have this much fun. No mags to keep up with, great wood and blue, sights decent. This one I could also use shorts,longs also. In teaching kids sometimes the real little ones (4-5 y/o) iId use shorts to start them out.

    You may find a steal with kids going back to school and needing money, also get one that fits you..goes a long way in shooting well.
     
  18. duckfoot

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    gotta second the CZ!!! Shot one me self and am now saving every scrap to get a Silhouette asap. The Lux has some of the best iron sights I have ever used on a .22.

    Or a NEF in a .22 is good too

    Good luck
     
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    Don't you dare buy her a used rifle when you can buy a new one.

    CZ makes a wonderful line of rifles, from rimfires to game-getters.

    I'd get the CZ in 22.
     
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    Marlin 25N bolt action 22lr rifle. $149;)
     
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    Can't go wrong with a good .22. I have a CZ 452 Style and managed to get my wife into shooting. Soon I'll have here giving the .223 and .303 a workout.
    Everyone should have a .22. Cheap to shoot, very accurate and a whole bunch of fun. Takes an eternity to heat up the barrel enough to change POI.
    Last time I went hunting, my mate and I used 2 bricks of .22 though a pair of CZ's in an afternoon just plinking. Heaps of fun.
     
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    I vote for the CZ. I own the 452 varmint model and you just can't beat them for accuracy and for learning about rifles. Get the rifle and then try to get some Wolf Match Target ammo. At 50 yards that combo will give you groups that you can cover with a dime.

    Bill
     
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    Another thought.....

    Actually, I'd go a little larger caliber and consider a good SKS. For the same money as a 10/22 (I have one too) you can find an SKS which has little recoil, the same capacity, and will shoot easily to 100 yards. The 22 will require that you set targets much closer. The 10/22 is a great squirrel gun but for all 'round shooting for a smaller framed individual, the SKS is great. My 20 year old daughter shoots mine without a problem. Larger calibers are more difficult. And, they're C&R, and parts and ammo are cheap.

    Just a suggestion.

    Rome
     
  24. Futo Inu

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    On a budget....

    First suggestion, I'd say a Marlin model 60 or other Marlin semi-auto .22, with either a tubular mag or detachable mag. Fun as all get out and cheap to buy and shoot both, good quality - Marlin has been making .22s for-ever.

    Or, if you want a bolt action .22 instead of a semi-auto, get the Savage or for a little more frills, the CZ 452. Tell you what - IF you're gonna shoot with iron sights, get the CZ. IF you plan on scoping it, get the Savage or a Marlin turnbolt (because it seems such a waste to take off or over-ride the beautiful irons, front and rear, of the CZ).

    Oh yeah, if a single-shot .22 is adequate, then it's tough to beat the NEF Handi-Rifle in .22lr (or any caliber, for that matter) - dirt cheap, but good quality and very good accuracy.

    The SKS idea is also good - a gun with a little more oomph - $150 give or take, semi-auto, 10 round capacity, low recoil, moderate noise level, cheap ammo (the 7.62x39mm Russian, if you're not familiar), lotsa aftermarket toys.

    Oh, a .22 will be more accurate than a 7.62x39 gun like an SKS, in all likelihood, and of course the cheapest of all to shoot. No recoil either.

    Also, if you're looking for something for more downrange ballistics (shooting at 150-200 yards or more with less bullet drop to compensate for), then you might instead really look at a Savage turnbolt in say, .223 Rem, or .17 HMR. (Gawd I hate to think of how spoiled someone would get if their first longgun is a Savage in .17HMR - lol - all future longguns will pale by comparison in the fun and probably the accuracy departments).

    Freedom-loving people do not give money to Ruger, the main practical instrumentality behind the full-cap mag ban, nor do they recommend that another do so.

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    AMEN! The CZ-452 is a Real tackdriver! It's big confidence booster to shoot.
     
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