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Best Riot Rifle

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Mauserguy, Apr 6, 2008.

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  1. Mauserguy

    Mauserguy Member

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    Here in California it is illegal to just drive around with a gun in the trunk of your car. The other day I had a conversation with my father about the best all around riot gun. This is a relevant topic since we never know when we urbanites will be stuck in a troubled situation.

    Some fifteen years ago, uncle Eddie died. He was a good man. He fed his family during the depression, and ended up living in the same depression era house for sixty years. He was a hunter, carrying an old Krag in the field, and when he died, many family and friends gathered in his house to toast his memory. My parents were there, in south central Los Angeles.

    When they left, they drove south, and made their way to the freeway. They got home and turned on the TV news. To their amazement, in one of the intersections that they drove through a truck driver was being beaten by Football Williams. They missed being stuck in the LA riots by about half an hour.

    My dad insists that the M1 carbine would be the best civil unrest rifle. I’m thinking that a lever action would be ideal. What do you think is the best gun to have when the police want to arrest you and everybody else wants you dead?
    Mauserguy
     
  2. BattleChimp Potemkin

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    All the civil rights movement pics always have a guy with an M1 Carbine (local cop or National Guard). While that may have been the most prevalent carbine available, it seems to be a good choice (I do not mean this as a bad statement regarding the Civil Rights movement, so dont construe it as such). High magazine capacity, ability to fire rapidly and reload rapidly, low ammunition cost and nice portability. The round itself is around a strong .38 special, so it will have a positive effect.
     
  3. Atla

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    Saiga 12 guage. ;)
     
  4. AJ Dual

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    An M1 carbine isn't a bad choice.

    And at 100 yards the .30 carbine has about the same energy as a 3 or 4" .357 magnum at the muzzle. So it's really more the low end of intermediate rifle cartridges than the high-end of pistol calibers once it's in a 16" barrel.
     
  5. notenoughtime3

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    Something reliable, rugged, easy to use and having a good capacity.

    Military pattern rifles are ideal. AK, FAL, HK, M1A, ect.

    Sorry to hear you are in California and are restricted from what you can own.

    If I were in your shoes... I'd go with an M1 Garand, have the barrel shortened to 16", scout mount it, add a red dot or scope and maybe a tritium sight(if they make them).

    It would be a very effective package.
     
  6. Crow1108

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    I remember reading that during the LA riots, the SKS was pretty prominent. Shopkeepers used it to great effect to keep looters at bay. I'm not too sure if you can have them in CA nowadays, but an SKS with a case of ammo (and some stripper clips...I've seen the 30 round magazines cause too many malfunctions) could be had for the same price as an M-1 carbine.
     
  7. notenoughtime3

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    +1 on the SKS, I forgot all about them.

    Don't know if they are legal there either.
     
  8. FPrice

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    Some people recommend the tried and true .30-30 in a good lever action rifle such as a Marlin. It is a powerful cartridge with good range and does not look nearly as "scary" as a military style rifle. They can be had at reasonable cost and ammunition is usually easy to find.
     
  9. Hatchman

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    12 guage shotgun would be ideal for a defensive riot situation.
     
  10. Hatchman

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    Sorry, I didnt notice that we were talking about rifles. Sorry!
     
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    12 guage shotgun would be my choice. Either a pump or semi to hold the hords off.
     
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    I remember seeing helicopter video during the LA riots of the owners of a Korean grocery store firing Ruger Mini-14's from the roof of their store at the approaching masses. It worked. The approaching mob turned and ran like the cowards they were.
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    It depends on if your goal is to stop rioters out to kill you or to simply scare them off. For the latter a big double bore blackpowder shotgun would likely work as well as anything.
     
  15. geekWithA.45

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    It entirely depends on the local legal landscape.


    Military pattern autoloaders if feasible,

    and if not,

    folding stock pump shotgun
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    lever action rifle carbines
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    autoloading pistol caliber carbines
    if not.


    I travel up and down the eastern seacoast, often with a destination in some fairly severe GFW territory.

    When that started happening, I swapped the AR for a folding stock mossberg 500.

    I decided I sucked at shotguns, and swapped the 500 for my Camp .45, which was the only gun I had that didn't have legal complications in that jurisdiction. I figured if I was going to have a rifle, I ought to have rifle range and rifle oomph, and so I bought myself a lightly used marlin 336 in 30-30, which I counted as a reasonable compromise for the purpose.
     
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    A sawed off full auto Browning BAR :evil: like what bonnie and clyde used it would be my first choise. It can laydown a good spray of bullets and can be very accurate, would be my first choise. If i had the cash i'd have one now they are sweet.:D
     
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    For the restrictive states, the .30-30 lever action is not a bad idea at all- fast, reliable, pretty powerful.

    I took my 336, added XS ghost ring sights and a scout rail, and have an effective close combat weapon. 6 rounds in the mag, one in the pipe, and 9 rounds in the buttstock carrier.

    It is currently my go-to rifle.
     
  18. Bazooka Joe71

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    I'll take my AR 15 w/ TA31-F anyday.

    Sounds about right to me.
     
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    Trunk Guns are legal in CA as long as it is a long arm and it's not loaded.
     
  20. R.W.Dale

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    A Remington 7615 sounds like the best of both worlds between pump shotgun and rifle

    You get the PC friendliness's that comes with being a pump

    AND

    You can use AR mags for a sustained volume of fire

    That's 5 rounds less than I have in just one 20rd mag

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    Get yourself an off-list AR-15 lower which is reluctantly blessed by the Cal DOJ. Build the rifle up to legal California standards with the magazine lock.

    If a riot situation ever erupts, let your conscience be the guide as to whether you follow the letter of the law at that time. :)
     
  22. Quiet

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    Not completely true.
    It is completely legal to store an unloaded non-assault weapon classified rifle or shotgun in your vehicle.
    The destination requirement comes into play when transporting handguns and assault weapons.
     
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    If I lived in the Cali, and money wasn't an issue, Springfield M1A with multiple 10 round mags. If you don't have 1300 bucks, Marlin 336 in 357. Both should get you out of any riot situation and make the perps look elsewhere for their looting ways.
     
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    I did forget about the 7615. Also a fine rifle. (the 336, is however, about half the cost.)
     
  25. Mauserguy

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    I stand corrected, a Californian can keep a rifle in his car, though I suspect that it may not be a good idea given the liklihood of theft and problems with prohibited areas. At any rate, I'm thinking that a lever action may be the best rifle.

    The Marlin 1894 in 357 looks good. It has a nine shot capacity magazine as well. I assume that it could punch through a car door and not look too mean to police, moving the armed citizen from arrest now to arrest later status.
    Mauserguy
     
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