Best Riot Rifle

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This type of thread troubles me, not for the sake of the topic, but for the sake of what it means to our country, and to my daughter's future.

I grew up in a small town of about 800 folks. Fights were really rare, even among kids. Firearms violence was near non-existent. Heck, our county's sheriff’s department had been in existence for many, many decades before we had an officer was shot, let alone killed (MHRiP). That brave officer died because he tried to talk his dear friend out of suicide (MHBiH). Anyhow, now that I have that off of my chest, the reality of our times necessitate that we be prepared.

I suggest a complimenting pair of long guns: 1 high capacity, 30 caliber, auto-loader and 1 high capacity, pump-action 12 gauge. A good .40 or .45 caliber sidearm is like icing for the cake. Sure, some may suggest a 5.56 would end an attack, and it would, eventually. But, a 5.56 almost always fails to fully penetrate most automobiles. But, a 12 gauge, loaded either with 00 buckshot, or a 1.0 to 1.25 ounce slug will penetrate most parts of an automobile should an attack come from behind one. The 30 calibers do the same, be it a 7.62X39, 7.62X51 or larger.

Of course, I am taking the perspective here of defending my home or my business, not of driving around with such weapons and of engaging in some Rambo-like, street-to-street escape back home. You know what?! Writing this post just reminded me of why I so desperately miss northern Michigan.
 
+1 on running into the book store! I spit soda on my screen after reading that. But really, when was the last time yoiu saw a looter carrying an arm full of books!

I would go with a Mossberg 500 20ga and a Rossi Lever action 357. Buy both for under $600 and another $100 in ammo and you are covered til you get back home or to safety at the nearest Barnes and Nobles.

Neither have to have magazines to work. The 500 is simple to reload while still having the weapon at your shoulder. The Rossi takes a little more practice.

Also, to quote Paco Kelly form leverguns.com, the 357 is a differant animal out of a rifle.

22lr
 
Since the gun must be transported unloaded, a lever gun is not ideal; they're slow to load. You want something magazine-fed, or at least something that can be fed by stripper clips. You can keep loaded magazines in the car, so long as they are not attached in ANY way to the firearm
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Amen. That is why I say that a K31 or an Enfield is the perfect PC truck/car gun. In 2 seconds flat you can be locked and loaded with either 5 rounds or 10 rounds (or 12 in the case of the 2A enfield). Or as you say, an SKS which can be loaded with stripper clips.

Saiga 12 gauge with one mag filled with screamers, bird bombs, and smoke. The rest 00 buck and maybe a mag of slug for any trucks headed your way.
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I like the way you think, and not a bad plan. But for me, that's (a) too expensive to keep in a vehicle, and (b) too un-PC - yes, it's a sad statement on modern society that political correctness should matter, but it does potentially. However, mostly (a) is the reason against the Saiga 12 for me.
 
Krochus, Nice looking rifle. How good does it shoot? Should be dependable with about any load.
 
Since the gun must be transported unloaded, a lever gun is not ideal; they're slow to load. You want something magazine-fed, or at least something that can be fed by stripper clips. You can keep loaded magazines in the car, so long as they are not attached in ANY way to the firearm
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I'm not going to argue that quicker loading isn't better, because (duh) it is.

What I am going to argue is that the 25 seconds of difference don't matter.

More to the point, if your plan or circumstances don't have 25 seconds of leeway in them, dodging bullets all the way to your trunk and fumbling with your gun case oughtn't be "plan A".
 
I'm not going to argue that quicker loading isn't better, because (duh) it is.

What I am going to argue is that the 25 seconds of difference don't matter.

More to the point, if your plan or circumstances don't have 25 seconds of leeway in them, dodging bullets all the way to your trunk and fumbling with your gun case oughtn't be "plan A".
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Well except if you see a coyote or feral pig in your headlights on the farm/lease, or if someone is shooting towards you or your loved ones - 1/2 second could matter, let alone 25 seconds. So it's a rarity, but I've had the coyote/pig thing happen, and wished I'd had a very handy gun which was still legal to transport (unloaded).
 
What I am going to argue is that the 25 seconds of difference don't matter.
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I'd argue that if you do have 25 seconds of leeway, odds are you don't actually need the firearm in the first place.

Seriously, you're going to argue that 25 seconds doesn't matter? To refute that, I'll paraphrase Roberts' (?) statement during the oral arguments in Heller... "So if someone is coming through the window, you wake up, turn on the light, get your glasses, unlock and then load the gun?"

Sometimes when you need a gun, you need it right now, not 20 or even 5 seconds from now. California requires that it be unloaded, but at least with a magazine-fed gun you can have something that is quickly made ready.
 
You can't take a weapon around in the trunk of your car in california?
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It's legal (except for assault weapons) so long as the weapon is completely unloaded, with no ammunition attached in any way (no shotgun side-saddles, etc.). Pistols must be in a locked case (locked trunk is okay). Check the California penal codes for details, especially sections 12025 and 12026 - but realize other codes do apply, such as the assault weapon law. Long guns do not have to be in the trunk or in a locked case.

Of course, even if you are completely within the law, the authorities will frown on it.

(IANAL, this is not legal advice... read the law.)
 
You must be kidding? The AR pattern rifle has been rugged enough for the U.S. government for the last 40+ years. I'll take an AR any day over a hunk of junk Ruger designed for the civilian market.
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I am not a big guy. In fact I was pretty thin in my Army days. But I did manage to snap the butt off my M16 on an FTX

Regarding the AR's use as a blunt instrument, I believe a weapon is designed to fire bullets, not be used as a hammer.
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That's the theory. What happens when you a) run out of ammo or b) have a FTF in the middle of a riot?
 
I would choose between either a SKS or a Legacy/Puma 92 in .357. Of course I would only limit myself to either of these 2 because at present they are the only 2 rifles I own.
 
Keltec SU16CA. It carefully tiptoes around the California laws. It folds, but can't be fired while folded. 2 10-round AR type magazines store in the butt. With the gun in my hand, I can unfold, load and be ready to fire in less than 5 seconds.
 
What is it that CA considers an assault weapon?
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That's best answered with the flowchart.

Off-list lower AR receivers, and off-list AKs, are legal (i.e. not assault weapons) only by case law, and only if assembled in compliance with the "evil feature" ban. There should be no problem with them, but I wouldn't want to carry one around in my vehicle. Some police and DAs are still a bit obstinate regarding their legality.
 
12 ga with bean bags. no reason to kill people that are trying to come at you with fists alone.
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Tell that to all the people who were killed in one-on-one fights, let alone a mob.

Besides, I seem to recall during the riots to see people more than willing to punch a man to his knees then throw a brick at his head.
 
That's the theory. What happens when you a) run out of ammo or b) have a FTF in the middle of a riot?
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Transition to the 1911 on your hip and shoot them in the face.
 
Here's my 2 cents... If a full scale riot ever broke out, I would use my firearm to fight my way OUT of the situation and get me and mine to safer ground if possible. One reason is even rioters can tell when your gun runs dry or when you have a stoppage and I wouldn't want to get bulldoged when trying get back up and running. Also, unless you absolutely must remain in the area why would you allow yourself to get boxed into a corner (or bookstore) anyway?
For the sake of this thread, if I did have to choose I would grab my PTR 91 and about 6 mags full of 168 TAPs for 2 reasons. First, nobody will want to go toe to toe with any .308. Second, if I did get jumped while trying to reload I could easilly be stripped of the rifle. However,the fact that your common thug would most likely find it hard to put it back into battery (ie, semi rocking in the mag and then having to crank that beast of a charging handle) instead of simply pressing the bolt release button would definitely work to my advantage while I go for a sidearm.

That's my armchair quarterback gameplan!
 
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