Best SHOTGUN EVER!

[JohnnyK]

Saiga 12.... it can do it ALL!!! Home Defense, kill some Clays and make your competitors look silly loading 1 round at a time with pump shotguns at 3-gun competitions! what other shotgun can easily carry a 20-30 round drum or a stick mag? dollar for dollar... best shotgun available!

who can name a better, more versatile boom-boom stick?

 

[jmr40]

Most any of them. They hold a lot of ammo and probably make a decent defensive gun, but have very poor handling qualities needed for wing shooting. Almost any pump, semi, or double would make a better all around shotgun. The Saiga is a single use weapon.

 

[Strykervet]

Yeah they are so great you don't really see them at 3gun competitions and the military doesn't use them.

What you see at the 3gun comps and the military is the Benelli. The M4 or whatever, the Joint Services Shotgun. That is a nice weapon. I plan on shooting 3gun next year, I have some nice rifles and pistols to use, but the only shotgun I have is a Mossberg Breacher (don't ask why). When I get a shotty for the competitions, it will certainly be a Joint Services Shotgun (unless there is a better one, but I hear the Benellis are the best around).

For clays, for dove hunting, I see most folks using Remingtons and Mossbergs, and others using doubles or over unders. Never saw anyone use an AK or Street Sweeper.

And if you think the pump is slow or inefficient, you have another thing coming. Watch "Impossible Shots" on the Outdoor Channel. Better yet, see if you can watch the show online and find the one where the guy shoots charcoal briquettes and stacks of hand thrown clays with a Mossberg. Granted he's a Mossberg exhibition shooter, but still... He does what he does with one of the cheapest shotguns made. He's Jerry Miculek with a shotgun.

 

[Smith357]

Saiga 12.... it can do it ALL!!!

But can it put your kids though college??
This one can.

 

[Andrew Wyatt]

Well, it'd do all of those things. if it worked.

 

[lobo9er]

they do look pretty awesome, time will tell how they hold up. so far i haven't heard a complaint from owners. I just wonder how the stamped reciever will hold up 10 to 20 years down the line. some of the custom jobs are looking pretty rad too.

 

[Justin]

In 3 Gun the Saigas are relegated to Open Division, so there really aren't any circumstances where comparing them to a traditional semi-auto gun really matters.

Select-slug changeovers are harder and slower with the Saiga than they are with a Benelli M2 or FN SLP.

Also, the Saigas have a less than stellar reliability record in 3 gun. Were I to go Open Division, I'd probably just use a more traditional shotgun and throw an X-Rail on it.

 

[451 Detonics]

The X-Rail rocks...

 

[NG VI]

What's on that?

 

[rcmodel]

Browning A-5.

Oh! I thought this was a question.

rc

 

[Justin]

It's an X-Rail. It replaces the standard magazine tube with a rotating array of four more tubes. Once one is empty, it rotates to the next one in order to feed rounds out of it.

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[JohnnyK]

Saiga's do work at 3-gun... and it is faster to change a mag of 9 with Saiga than hand feed one at a time... yes, I know there are trick shooters and all but I'm talking about for regular user... I use Saiga 12 to shoot clays every chance I get and it's the best! and I don't see why a Stamped Saiga wouldn't last any bit as long as any other stamped AK in existance...

 

[forindooruseonly]

Meh. I use shotguns for field hunting. That is one thing a Saiga won't do well. Yeah, it might the best thing for playing war games and chest thumping, but that doesn't impress me much.

 

[Justin]

I never said anything about the speed of a magazine change vs. Stuffing 8 rounds into the tube manually. All I did was point out that it doesn't matter because Saigas don't play in the same division as tube guns.

I was talking about running a select slug drill where the shooter encounters a single or double slug target amidst several clay targets. In order to go from birdshot to slug to birdshot, the saiga operator will have to execute two magazine changes whereas someone with a traditional tube gun need only insert the appropriate amount of shells, fire the one in the chamber, and then engage the slug target(s).

Further, I've seen more Saigas choke under match conditions than not, and the ones that did run were all custom jobs that cost $3-$4,000.

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[Robert]

who can name a better,

FN SLP.

Hey the Saiga works for you. That is great. I am truly happy that it works for YOU. We are all different and require differnet things. Those requirements may make one shotgun better or worse for that specific thing, but that does not mean that said shotgun is the greatest everz period. There is no 1 greatest anything.

 

[oneounceload]

who can name better?

REALLY?

That's too easy, you must be a young person without any experience with an actual fine shotgun.............

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

who can name a better, more versatile boom-boom stick?

Remington 870, fires ALL types of 12 Gauge ammo that can be found, can shoot trap, HD duty, Police duty, etc, etc.

You don't NEED at 20 round drum for any civilian purposes or even Police purposes. You don't even need a semi auto (despite my shotgun of choice being an 1100).

 

[Fastcast]

Wonder how the Saiga handles busting through grouse cover or if it swings like a wand on the king of game birds?.....

 

[oneounceload]

boom-boom stick

Like, is that, like ya know, something like a "shotty"?

 

[Oxide]

A couple points.

There is no 30 round drum for a Saiga 12. There are two 20 rounders available. You would not want a 30 round drum because it would be very big, and very heavy, and would put much more weight on the mag catch than it is probably designed for.

The Saiga is not the best shotgun of any category except the one in which it resides, which is affordable, box mag fed, semi auto that can handle most shot loads. It needs a large amount of custom work to reverse the neutering it received to get into the country, plus other treatments. The design is good, the materials are good, the quality control is variable.

I own some shotguns. I own a Saiga 12, a Benelli M4, a Remington 870, and some Mossbergs, along with Winchesters, Stevens, JP Sauer's, and others. I shoot clays with the 870, although the Saiga can hit them. I hunt turkeys with the Mossbergs. I use the Benelli for home defense and range fun. I shoot the Saiga at the range, as I have yet to covert it, nor run it enough to be considered reliable.

Is it a good gun? Yeah, it is, I like it, and it's worth the money I paid. I will enjoy converting it and customizing it. But, it will not be my only shotgun, nor my favorite.

 

[Dave McCracken]

I liked the one I was lent for an extended T&E, but sent it back without shedding a tear.

Poor for clays, good for slugs, ate everything I fed it except a couple 7/8 oz loads (and if I had played with the gas knob it'd done that too) and was a good choice if the threat level in your immediate vicinity needed lowering badly.

I don't see it as an all round shotgun. I do see it as a decent defensive tool.

BTW, that one was absolutely stock.

 

[lobo9er]

Like, is that, like ya know, something like a "shotty"?

have you scene evil dead or army of darkness? just wondering it makes "boom-stick" make more sense. its not really a like dude dude thing that drives you foe-gies up the wall.

 

[Justin]

Dave, from what I've heard, the QC on stock Saigas can be hit or miss, with some being very reliable and some being jam-o-matics.

I think that some of the conversions tend to result in finnicky guns because the guns are so heavily modified that you're essentially ending up with a completely different gun.

However, when you get a reliable one, they are indeed capable of laying down a fearsome amount of lead.



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[Mike1234567]

Some folks do get a finicky Saiga but, from all I've read, virtually all can be tuned to behave as well as any premium semi-auto firearm. One just needs to understand the mechanics and may need to do some fiddling. Most seem to function well straight out of the box though.

 

[RX-178]

Saiga 12s (in any configuration), in my experience don't handle like shotguns, don't balance like shotguns, don't point like shotguns.... they don't do anything like shotguns except shoot shotgun shells. In terms of feel and handling, its basically a semi auto rifle that happens to fire 12 gauge shot shells.

That said, the X-rail seems absolutely ridiculous to me. Oh, don't get me wrong, I think it looks awesome, and I can't really imagine anything being much more fun than loosing off all those shells one after another without worrying about reloads (even with a Saiga you've got to change magazines).

But I asked the guys who make the X-rail about it at the SHOT show, and even THEY admitted that the gun felt like you just hung a full box of heavy shells off of the muzzle when trying to maneuver it.