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Best sights for "low light" conditions; No lasers, thank you!

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by grndslm, Jul 20, 2009.

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Which color combo is best for low light visibility?

  1. Black frame; Silver slide; Silver sights; Red dots

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    7.7%
  2. Black frame; Silver slide; sights painted black; dots painted white

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    10.3%
  3. Black frame; Black slide; Black sights; White dots

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  1. grndslm

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    I'm looking at a Bersa semi-auto pistol, but I notice that the colored dots are different from what I'm used to.

    I had a silver slide before with black "sights" and white dots. Lots of contrast in this scenario, made the gun EXTREMELY visible while the sun was going down. The fiber optic sight on the Ruger I was shooting became invisible.

    Soo.. the Bersas are slightly different from my old SW9VE. My choices are (1) an all black gun with white dots, or (2) black frame, silver slide and silver "sights" with red dots.

    Which would be better for low light visibility scenarios? I love silver slides for some reason, but silver and red contrast... not so much, I'd think. The slide itself should be easily identifiable, especially in a situation where I dropped the pistol at night or was waving the gun at an unarmed BG. Worst case scenario, I could buy the one with silver slide and paint the "sights" black and the dots white, right??

    What do you guys like better?

    P.S. - Please do not vote unless you have experienced both types of sights. And hopefully you'll leave a comment as well. Thanks!
     
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  2. grndslm

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    No comments?

    I really wish I could hold both of these Bersas in my hand while there were only moonlight, but I can't. :(
     
  3. rainbowbob

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    I can't help you with the sight question - but I gotta ask:

    In what foreeable circumstances are you dropping the pistol or "waving" it at a BG?
     
  4. grndslm

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    It's all theoretical. How about "End of the World" scenario?? :p

    Like I said... with my S&W Sigma... I could shoot it as the sun was going down past the horizon, whereas the Glock (all black w/ yellow dots? I think.) and the Ruger (all black w/ red fiber optics) became impossible to see.

    Visibility is one of those things you don't think about until it's too late. Everybody always talks about caliber... never about visibility during low light situations.

    But, as stated, I'd like the BG to be able to see that I do have a weapon, which the silver slide wins without a doubt. But being able to aim in low light conditions is the real issue here.

    Silver slide with silver "sights" and red dots is a new one to me, and I'm not sure if any other manufacturer is as fond of this setup as Bersa. I really don't think it'd be that hard of an issue to paint the one with the silver slide... but of course, I like to hear opinions from the experienced.
     
  5. rcmodel

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    Yea! That dropping & waving is considered bad form!

    I much prefer black guns for CCW.
    Much easier to get made with a silver gun if your jacket flaps open briefly, etc.

    I also prefer a real Tritium night sight front sight over any combination of colors & dots if low light shooting is called for.

    Lining up three dots in a hurry will make you slow.
    If you put the front sight on the target fast, you will most likely hit it fast.

    rc
     
  6. Mags

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    Where is the option for tritium dot sights? They are my only consuderation for low light or even complete darkness.
     
  7. 9mmepiphany

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    for me:

    basic low light = front dot night sight
    fancy low light = front night sight and bar under the rear notch

    aligning a 3 dot night sight system is the slowest combination for low light shooting...this is based on enough practice to properly make sight alignment a sub-concious function
     
  8. grndslm

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    Heh... no joke!

    It's THE worst case scenario situation, tho. Out in middle of nowhere that's pitch black, and you fumble the gun while trying to grip it. BLAM! Ya drop it and can't find it in the foot tall grass.

    And by "wave" I didn't literally mean wave. I meant "whip it out and aim".
     
  9. grndslm

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    I don't think Bersas have that option??
     
  10. rainbowbob

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    If you want the BG to know you have a weapon - why not yell, "I HAVE A GUN! - STOP OR I'LL SHOOT!"?


    If you drop your gun in tall grass in the middle of the night - yer screwed no matter what color your slide is. If you are loosing sleep over such a hypothetical occurrence, I'd suggest you practice drawing from concealment (with an UNLOADED firearm).

    OK...I'll butt out now...I'm not much help with night sights, since I haven't effectively solved that problem myself with my old J-frame. My hopeful assumption is that if I can see the target - I can "whip it out and aim".
     
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  11. grndslm

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    I'm sure I would... but I'd prefer that he SEE the gun instead of just taking my word for it.

    I'm one of those Doubting Thomas types, and a lotta BGs are undoubtedly the same way.
     
  12. grndslm

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    Think I'm gonna go with silver slide and red dots and see how that works... then just paint if necessary.
     
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    I like the green sights myself. Just seems easier to see.
     
  14. grndslm

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    Nevermind...

    I think I'm gonna go with the one that comes black stock w/ the white dots.

    I dunno about painting sights and dots... hi-temp paint, anyone?
     
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    Uhhhhh, night sights, if it doesnt have them, then get them.

    Was this a hypothetical question?
     
  16. grndslm

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    No, this is a real question... because I hunt people when a full moon comes out. :neener:

    Can I add night sights to any pistol I like? Probly not, but I'd love it if you prove me otherwise. This question *was* a hypothetical question in regards to my choices with the Bersa Firestorm.

    EDIT: Anybody know of a reasonable way to paint sights with hi-temp paint? And yes, this is a hypothetical question.
     
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    Contact Lauer Custom Weaponry, they probably got a color of Duracoat for ya--anything from clear to Pepto-Bismol Pink. (Yeah, they're the guys New York Reichsfuhrer Buttberg tried to sue over gun colors!)
     
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    Maybe, you can purchase the tritium vials separately and drill holes in your sights to mount the vials. But I would check the following manufacture's wesites first. Mepro Light, Trijicon, Tru-Glo, and Ameriglo. I am sure I missed some. Good Luck!
     
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    http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-59281.html

    This states that Trijicon will do a custom job on the Bersa series of pistols for 3x the cost of the night sights alone. 300 bucks for night sights but where theres a will theres a way. Or at least where there is enough money theres a way.

    Done

    No malice towards you here I am just protecting my good name.;)
     
  20. grndslm

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    BLAH! :barf:

    :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ;)

    I guess I'll just go with the all black w/ white dots. :(
     
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    No need atall for high-temp paint on a handgun.

    They don't ever get that hot or you couldn't hang on to it to keep shooting.

    Testers Model Paint is enamel, and works just fine for sight dots.

    Just fill the dots with a toothpick.

    If you mess up, wash it off with paint thinner before it drys.

    rc
     
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    I have some combo fiber/tritium sights on an XD. Previous owner put them on it. He must have had a bad right flinch, because I had to re-center the rear sight when I got the gun.

    They work great in any light. I think they're 100 bucks a set, though.:(
     
  23. ztnedman1

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    I would love to know which scenerio you are expecting where you would have time to look + aim your sights in a self defense situation.
     
  24. grndslm

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    It's not even just about the sights, honestly...

    I think it's more about seeing the angle of the slide. If you can see the angle of the slide, you can aim without even glancing at the dots. But if you can see the angle of the slide AND the white dots, it only makes it all the better for you, right??

    That's why I like black frame, silver slide, black sights, white dots... plenty of contrast to QUICKLY and EASILY determine where the bullet is gonna travel.
     
  25. grndslm

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    Cool. And what would I paint the "sights" with? Not black enamel, right? Black... ?? And a toothpick would be good enough for this too, I'm guessing?
     
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