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Best Tactical Scope on the Market

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by blackops, Feb 5, 2011.

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Best tactical scope on the market?

Poll closed Apr 6, 2011.
  1. Nightforce

    36.2%
  2. S&B

    24.5%
  3. USO

    11.7%
  4. Premiere Reticle

    7.4%
  5. IOR

    3.2%
  6. Leupold

    23.4%
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  1. blackops

    blackops Member

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    Pretty simple, in your opinion, what tactical scope is the best on the market? Tied in a pool to give a visual reference and make things interesting. I have to admit, I personally haven't had the luxury of utilizing every scope myself. If you guys have any personal preferences, would like to mention a specific model or any reasoning for your choice, please elaborate. If I left out a scope that should have been considered, it's okay to give me a bad time about it! :)
     
  2. Birddog1911

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    You've got some nice ones up there. I have a Nightforce, because that was the best that I could afford. S&B are probably tops, though.

    I looked through a USO, and honestly, to my eye I wasn't as impressed with it as the others you have up there. Leupold just isn't the tops, anymore.
     
  3. taliv

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    you probably should have included hensoldt which sports many of the features/quality of the others in a significantly more compact package

    i have had the USO SN3 T-PAL and NF and Leupolds for several years and the S&B PMII for 1 year, and shot them all in many matches.

    NF is currently on my $#%@ list and the only NF i would even consider would be the 12-42x benchrest model. Leupold isn't in the same league as the others and lost their minds on pricing. it's a toss up between the S&B and the USO. I dislike much about the P4F reticle in the S&B but i like the clickiness and their knobs a little better, though they are much taller compared to the lo-profile EREK on the USO. The illumination on both could use some work. The USO has a choice of several very functional reticles. It would be the only way to go if you want to work in minutes instead of mils.

    If I could only have one, I really don't know which I would pick.
     
  4. blackops

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    Come on taliv, if you had to pick one, day in day out everyday use. I think most prefer mils, but that's besides the point. Which ever system you utilize and are most effective with will obviously swing your decision. Ultimately, which scope fits your personal needs best and best all around scope for you?
     
  5. Birddog1911

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    Taliv, I'd like an expansion on why NF is on your !@&^@ list. I just got one, and it's the finest scope I've owned.
     
  6. BlkHawk73

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    Gotta ask...what makes a scope "tactical" exactly? I know in this case, it can't be the color black and since scopes marketed as target models have the longer adjustment turrets it can't be that either. So just what feature makes the average run-of-the-mill scope "tactical"?
     
  7. taliv

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    heh, ok. prob the USO

    birddog, had a bad experience with their 1-4x NXS.

    reticle you can use for hold over and range estimation
    illuminated reticle
    side focus/parallax instead of adj obj
    knobs that are quick and easy to use when it's dark, cold, wet, that keep you from getting lost in the turns, and can go back to zero
    waterproof and sturdy
    usually, a low end of the variable magnification that is very low for wide field of view for moving targets
     
  8. redneck2

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    Taliv...you ever use Burris Black Diamond?? Or don't they fit the definition?
     
  9. Whiskey11

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    Not sure I believe that an illuminated reticle is necessary for a tactical scope... my mark 4 lr/t is non-illuminated but is known as a tactical scope, especially with the m1 turrets.

    As for the poll, I won't comment, I have very little experience with scopes beyond my mark 4. I would say that you wouldn't be disappointed with any of those in that list.
     
  10. taliv

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    redneck, no experience with that burris and don't even know the specs, but there are tons of other reasonably priced well regarded scopes like the bushnell elite series.

    whiskey, i agree it's not necessary. heck, lots of military folks were issued a fixed 10 power scope over the past 30 yrs. still, features that make it easier and faster to use are a good thing
     
  11. blackops

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    taliv,seems like you use the s&b primarily. Why the USO?
     
  12. taliv

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    i wouldn't say that. I use my new favorite long range rifle primarily (260AI) which happens to have the S&B on it. My USO happens to be mounted on a gas gun.

    One of the differences is the entire reticle on the USO lights up, whereas only a tiny crosshair in the center of the S&B lights up. That means you can't do any holdover or range estimation at night with the S&B. That was the difference in my vote though they are really close. On the other hand, the S&B illumination is a little fainter so you can see the target a little better at night. The USO illumination can really only be used at the lowest setting, and that's still a little bright. Using the medium to high settings is like shining a spotlight in your eye. Rumor has it you can adjust it down somehow, but I haven't figured out how to do that

    btw, i'm not exactly an expert or anything. I'm just giving my opinion here. 1500 rnds of experience with the S&B in 6 months is decent, but there are lots of people with years of experience with these scopes and whose opinions are prob worth a lot more. I know zak likes the S&B and has several of both models. I think he likes their reticles better too. :)
     
  13. blackops

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    Wish I could shoot at night. Not allowed here. Yeah, zak needs to weigh in here. That guy is never around these days.
     
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    I guess it would depend on what kind of "tactics" you are implementing with your tactical scope. For a battle rifle, I like a Trijicon ACOG. For more long-range precision, I think it would be hard to beat a Schmidt and Bender.
     
  15. MCMXI

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    I voted for Premier Reticles. I have a PRH 3-15x50mm and a PRH 5-25x56mm both with double turn MTC turrets and the Gen2 XR reticle. They have front focal plane illuminated reticles, mil/mil adjustments, zero stops, tactile second turn indicators and superb glass. It's my understanding that the Marine Corps selected the 3-15x50mm for the SR-25. Honestly, I don't know why anyone would buy a S&B if they've had any experience with Premier. Heck, a bunch of the S&B engineers work with Premier now. I have eight Leupold Mark 4 scopes of various types and they're no slouch either.
     
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    For the record, NF only has one FFP scope model which is kind of a requirement for a serious "tactical" scope. NF rules the KD shooting world with numerous world records because of their excellent adjustments. They certainly don't own the "tactical" UKD shooting world ... not yet anyway. That distinction probably goes to S&B at present, and to a lesser extent USO, but it's changing.
     
  17. blackops

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    8 Mark 4's and a couple PR's? :eek: Dang, if ever need to get rid of one of them let me know. :)
     
  18. BrocLuno

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    I know they are not in the same quality league as the ones presented here, but Vector Optics offers an LE/Mil spec'd FFP with lighted reticle that I hope someone actually tries out?

    They sell to LE's & Mil all around the world and are not Chinese junk scopes. Retail is in the $500 to $1K range for their better stuff which is about 1/2 or a 1/3 of some of these listed. I'm not pushing them at all. I just want to know if any real serious shooters have tried one?

    And my vote goes for USO :)
     
  19. Sheepdog1968

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    With Leupold, they always make a very good product and they stand behind what they make. At this point, if I need a scope, I want a Leupold. If I need an inexpensive scope I go for their Redfield line. Are they the best? I don't know but they are definately good enough to get the job done.
     
  20. Geno
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    In terms of speaking in an informed way, I only address the merits of the Nightforce scopes. I purchased the NF scopes, because they have the following qualities: excellent glass, excellent durability and repeatability. In fact, they jokingly have been rumored to be vulnerable only to a tank attack. I especially appreciate that both the ranging and adjustments are in inches, not mils. I used the NP-R1 reticle. The zero-stop feature also was a selling point.

    Admittedly, the closest I've come to a "tactical application" has been during my Walter Mitty fantasies, in which I play sniper on the local woodchucks. But, these ain't no ordinary woodchucks...they's zombie-chucks! :eek:

    I do know some shootists who own Leupold Mark 4s. They asked to test out my NF turrets. Mygodamighty...they ran the turrets up and down, left and right like a child with a serious obsessive compulsive disorder!! It was actually pretty durned funny. The one fella grinned as he did so and retorted, "From what I heard, these will return the zero no problems!" After he finished tinkering with the turrets, he reset them to my zero. I benched the rifle, and placed 3 shots dead-center into the X at 100 yards...and that was after literally a couple minutes of wild-turret-twists. The fella's parting comment was that he has to get rid of his Mark 4 and get a Nightforce.

    Are there other "tactical" scopes that are better then Nightforce? I have no clue...perhaps. Then again, I like my SWFA 10X scope about 99% as much as I like my NF scopes...and it cost a mere $299. Don't rightly figgur, does it?! :eek:

    Geno
     
  21. blackops

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    Leupold in 2nd? hmmmmm....
     
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    Leatherwood
     
  23. vaupet

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    a vote from europe for our S&B

    Taliv sums it up great, and I only would clarify that the reticle must be FFP.

    O, and you forgot the Zeiss/Hensold line (is it available on your side of the atlantic?)

    greetz

    peter
     
  24. blackops

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    Yes, I did and yes they are.
     
  25. BsChoy

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    Right now my dream scope for my in progress 30-06 target gun is the USO fixed 10x scope with mil/mil adjustments...simple and built like a truck
     
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