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Best under $3000 SxS

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by azflyman, Feb 22, 2006.

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  1. azflyman

    azflyman Member

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    Greetings all,

    I am wondering about what yous guys think the best SxS shotgun for between $0 and about $3,000 would be? I am looking for a nice 20ga to hunt with. I have several fine guns but I like the way a SxS swings. I will be hunting in NW Oregon. I have another 12ga for duck and goose so this will be an upland gun more or less. What say ye all?

    az
     
  2. BozemanMT

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    Beretta Silverhawk.
    english grip, double triggers, 20ga, 26 to 28" barrells.
    Yes, I think that would do you fine.
     
  3. Rupestris

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    Sorry I don't have any actual experience with it but it is within your price range.

    Weatherby SBS Athena D'Italia
    Like the Beretta it has Dual Triggers, 26" or 28" available in 20ga, english stock and screw-in chokes.

    ~$2600
     
  4. Dave McCracken

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    Lots of choices, including Ruger's new Gold Label.

    I'd go with one of the classics, you may be able to find a lower grade Parker within that range. Or an Elsie, Ithaca, Fox, LeFever, Baker et al.
     
  5. Striker

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    CZ new Turkish imports are very nice and not overpriced.
     
  6. SShooterZ

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    Grulla, Ugartechea, Merkel, Dakota Arms all come to mind.

    All very high quality and will probably last forever.
     
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    Old Ithacas are available for a few hundred bucks and balance very well.

    New L.C. Smiths, Weatherbys, Berettas, Rugers, etc. are nice. New CZ Huglus are a nice and a real good value.

    $3000 can still buy you a nice gun.:)
     
  9. SwampWolf

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    I don't think you can beat a low end Merkle for value and quality. Top bolt, side-clips, double under-bolts; all typically over-built German engineering. Nice lines, handles well and you should be able to find one well under $3,000.00.

    Some Spanish gunmakers (AyA and Arrieta come to mind) also make nice shotguns that are reasonably priced.
     
  10. Hawk

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    Lots of good choices available with a 3K budget.

    If somebody gave me that much toward a SxS, I'd give serious consideration to a 700.00 Elsie plus a 2300.00 payment to Doug Turnbull, then awaiting results. Especially given that I already have the Elsie.
     
  11. ArmedBear

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    Incidentally, the Beretta 20 Ga O/U's are so low profile that they feel much like a SxS, but they'll take less adjustment if you're used to a gun with one barrel.

    The Silver Pigeon is pricey but not so pricey as a Silver Hawk.

    [​IMG]

    One swing and I wanted one.

    Can't afford it at the moment, but nevertheless...:)
     
  12. Gordon

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    A real good Browning BSS can be gotten for $1000 (12ga) to $2000(20ga) . I don't think a better all around SxS exists for anything close to that . O/U are a differrent ball game and it IS all Beretta in that ball game and price range IMHO.

    http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=44004700

    http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=44226289

    Of course at the top of your price range you can get THIS , which is compared to H&H Royals by those who know!

    http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=44210950
     
  13. The Real Hawkeye

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    You can get an old Parker in good shape for hunting for within that range. They are about the best shotguns made.
     
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    You could get a sub 3K price at Glenn Rea. They get their AyAs from NECG.
     
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    Another thought is a Winchester 23 (used, of course). A nice little shotgun, readily available for under $3,000.00.
     
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    "You could get a sub 3K price at Glenn Rea."

    Thank you. I hadn't heard of them.

    JT
     
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    If it's going to be carried a lot, you want a light gun. On the used market, the Browning BSS is nice, but haevy for a 12 gauge. Look out for an Ithaca/SKB. there are modes with extractors(100 &150) and ejectors (200 & 280). You can also find English stock madfels (280E) if you look hard enough.

    Another great gun on the used market is the Abercrombie & Fitch Zoli/Rizzini's frmo the 50's or 60's.
     
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    Connecticut Shotgun Manfacturing Company
    They are making a new 20 gauge for $2500. It is called the RBL and looks like a wondeful shotgun.

    http://www.connecticutshotgun.com/
     
  19. azflyman

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    And the winner is - BSA Royal

    I have arranged for a BSA Royal, 20ga, 26". I decided to go with something a little less expensive to see how it will function for my hunting environment here in NW Oregon. I have a Franchi 48AL for duck and goose so this gun will be mainly for upland use. I like the way a 20ga swings and the 26" with chokes should be good for chukar, grouse, Phesant, et al. The BSA Royal is the same gun as the Weatherby Athena. I have printed this thread as this gun is what I am considering a experiment on the qwest for "the one". I much appreciate all the comments, feedback, and help from all of you.

    Thanks again,

    az
     
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    How did you come to the conclusion that these are the same gun? :confused:

    The BSA model is a Spanish import I believe and the Weatherby is an SKB made in Japan? :confused:
     
  21. Hawk

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    I'm confused (nothing new): The BSA Royal is a SxS I believe to be Spanish. The Weatherby Athena is an O/U made by SKB in Japan.

    The Weatherby SxS is made in Italy - not surprising given that it's marketed under the "D'Italia" name.

    Confusion notwithstanding, what I've seen of the BSA Royal looks like a fine piece of equipment.

    Congratulations!
     
  22. azflyman

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    Well a web search will tell you Fausti Stefano Arms of Italy, Ithaca, SKB, and "Made in Japan". I had both in my hands side by side and other than the stamp saying who manufactured them they were the same gun. Look at all the pictures of the guns, they have a fairly unique checkering pattern in the wood. I always have a problem with manufacture of origin in the first place. In the US if it says "Made in the USA" then there is a certain percentage of the processes that have to be done in the US. In other countries that is not so. Outsourcing is big busines worldwide. I do believe there is a slight difference in the wood quality. The Weatherby SxS had a bit more figure and the BSA grain was more straight.

    az
     
  23. azflyman

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    This is a quote from "Outdoor Life" magazine gun reviews.

    Weatherby Athena
    ($1,549; 800-227-2016)
    Gauge tested: 12-gauge
    Weight as delivered: 7 lb., 2 oz.
    Barrel length: 26 in.
    Metal finish: Blue
    Stock: Walnut
    Sights: Bead
    Trigger pull: 4 lb., 7 oz.
    Intended purpose: General field
    One of the pitfalls of our new gun tests is that in order to make our spring deadline we sometimes have to test pre-production samples. These may be one-of-a-kind samples that lack the refinements in mechanism and finish that will appear in production models. And so it was with both of the new Weatherby shotguns. But with this caveat duly noted, we have to call 'em the way we see 'em.

    The Athena side-by-side is a typically Spanish mid-to-upper-class shotgun in that it struggles mightily to imitate a British best-grade sidelock (no fault in that) but falls way short on the details in order to keep production costs at a minimum (no blame there either). Fair-to-nice engraving and checkering on our sample, augmented by nicely contrasting oil-finished walnut, were pleasing, as was the cleanly sculpted, English-style stock.

    I did add the bold to the above content:evil:

    az
     
  24. SShooterZ

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    Well something doesn't add up here.

    You quoted that the Weatherby Athena D'ITALIA was made by Stefano Fausti, in which you are correct. But, that is made in Brescia, Italy. Not Spain as your bold text emphasizes.

    The BSA, which I'm assuming is the Classic or Royal model, is made in Spain.

    Check out some information on each. Weatherby's website clearly states
    The BSA is described on several sites that sell them;
    Therefore again I ask, how can they be the same gun? :confused:
     
  25. Hawk

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    One dealer was handing out the theory that the BSA Spanish SxS was to have been the Weatherby SxS. The deal went south, Weatherby bought Italian, leaving a pile of Spanish SxSs which BSA picked up.

    Meantime, both were made to Weatherby's specs, hence they're near identical. Rather then being the same gun, they were made to the same specs by competing firms from Spain and Italy. This would presumably include such details as checkering.

    I had filed the story, along with most gunshop anecdotes, with the emails I get saying Bill Gates will send me money for forwarding emails. Now I'm beginning to wonder. Convoluted, but it's pretty close to describing how the "same" shotgun can be fabricated in two different countries.

    Becomes somewhat more plausible in that magazines often get pre-production samples and, had Weatherby stuck with their Spanish vendor, may well have called the thing an "Athena SxS, made in Spain". Outdoor Life goes to press, Weatherby's deal blows up and SxS becomes the Italian "D'Italia".

    Neat, if it happened. Note that I'm not taking any ownership of the gunstore legend.

    Who cares anyway? They're both nice.

    Edited to add: Somebody has put that conjecture in writing. listing

    The guy does like "all caps":
     
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