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Best way to deal with a black bear??

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by ChasMack, Jun 10, 2013.

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  1. ChasMack

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    I live in western NC. Have a house where the windows are low to the ground...lower than most houses anyway. We have had a black bear come by here getting into the garbage, getting into my pick up, chasing off 2 dogs we were actually watching for a relative. I read here a fellow killed a bear with a .22 when it stood up on it's hind legs...I am assuming it bled out as it was found 150yds away. A friend who hunts a lot out west said to use a .22 and gut shoot him so he bleeds out and dies in the woods. Then he said if I use one of my larger caliber hand guns to make sure I get a head shot or should shot. Well he's black and it's hard to see him in the dark. I know cause he was little more than an arms length away from our kitchen window one night. He is almost as tall as the hood of the truck when he is on all 4's...he's bigger than I expected. So is a .22 wise to use? I asked my friend if a .22 would go through hair and hide. He said it would. I asked about a .22 magnum and he said that would go through it. I always thought if I shot a bear with a small caliber, it would only piss him off. It would not take much effort to get into our house...he can almost look into our kitchen now. I did open our door to scare him off and he just stared at me for about 1 min then left. I know he is getting into the neighbors garbage as well. Then I read where if they keep coming around they lose their fear of man...this one didn't seem to be too timid. Any wise words from those who know more would be appreciated!
     
  2. MtnCreek

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    Don't shoot him w/ a .22 and there're probably no need to shoot at all. Best advice is to stop feeding him, whether intently or not.

    Close the garage if possible. Remove anything he would view as food (dog food, bird seed, trash, ...). This situation (assuming legal to shoot at your local) would be the one time to take Joe B's advice and let a blast of bird shot up in the air when he comes around. Also, spot lighting him will run him off too. You could take a trip to TN or SC and pick up some fireworks to scare him with.

    When I lived there, I had some issues w/ a bear getting into trash. I got a metal 55gal drum w/ the locking ring to keep the trash and secured it w/ chains to a post that I drove into the ground. When the dogs would start barking (hounds in lots) I would step out on the porch and shoot some bird shot a couple times or shine him w/ a spotlight from the door. He went from coming around about every night to leaving in about two weeks.

    Edit: You do need something bigger than a .22 if he gets in your house. Shotgun w/ buckshot or something around .357 in a pistol. If he feels cornered (like in your house) you're better off to leave than shot him w/ a .22.
     
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  3. Patocazador

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    Around here the game dept. traps them and puts them in the Ocala NF so you don't have to deal with it for about a week until he comes back. Even if they return many times, the game dept. here won't 'dispose' of them as far as I'm told.
     
  4. ChasMack

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    Same here pretty much. Game warden won't relocate them since they just come back. I'll try the shotgun thing. I read on NC Wildlife that scaring them is temporary. But I'll try it anyway, maybe then the neighbors will do something about their trash too after hearing the shotgun. That's what NCwildlife said...ALL the neighbors have to take care of their trash, otherwise the bear comes around again.
     
  5. Robert

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    Intentionally gut shooting an animal to let it bleed out could land you in jail, and rightfully so. That has to be the worst, most unethical advice I have ever heard from a "hunter".

    Contact your Department of Wildlife and see what help or resources they can provide. Like MtnCreek said, your best bet is to take away his reason for coming around. Take away his food source and he will go somewhere else. Now if he does get in your house there is nothing wrong with defending yourself with say a 12ga, 357 or the like.

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    Even if the neighbors don't clean up if you take away the reasons for him to come by your place he will.
     
  6. jmr40

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    A fed bear is a dead bear. Once they learn they can get food from garbage cans there isn't much you can do. They also train the young to do the same. Call your local game dept. They will likely trap, tag and relocate the animal. If it is a repeat offender they will likely kill it. They may kill it anyway because relocation rarely works. They just find a way back to other humans.
     
  7. Sav .250

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    "..................use a .22 and gut shoot him so he bleeds out in the woods." Your friend is one miserable creep!!! Gut shooting anything thing on purpose is disgusting.
     
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    Trying to intentionally slow kill any animal is about as lowlife of advice as it gets. I moved to a place with bear problems years ago, keep your garbage secure and they will go elsewhere for food.
     
  9. rayatphonix

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    ChasMack - I too live in WNC. If you limit the bear's access to food on your property he'll quickly learn there's nothing of interest at your house. If your neighbors won't do the same that's their problem. Bears have to be the single most unjustified danger around here in the mountains. A sow killed a women in the Smokies back in the 90's and other than that there's virtually no reports of attacks on humans in the last 100 years. I am a forester so I spend more time than most in the woods. Over the years I bet I've seen close to 100 bears in the wild and many more around neighborhoods and have never seen one that was aggressive.

    A wounded bear would be many, many times more dangerous than a bear left alone.
     
  10. jmr40

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    There have been numerous attacks within 100 miles of that incident within the last 10 years, including a small child killed just outside the park near the Georgia line. Another bear was taken down by SMNP rangers just 2 years ago after it bit a hiker near Mt. Leconte.

    http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/aug/12/black-bear-attacks-boy-in-smokies-father-also/

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/16/bear.attack/

    http://yoursmokies.blogspot.com/2010/05/black-bear-attacks-great-smoky.html

    These are incidents just from SE Tennessee and N Georgia within the last few years. I'm aware of many more incidents where bears got into campsites and destroyed tents, packs etc. One bear learned how to sneak up behind hikers and pull off packs for food. No injuries, so the incidents were kept quite. Do a google search and you will find dozens of incidents nation wide where people have been attacked by black bear.

    Generally they are after the food you are carrying, not you. But injuries and sometimes death happen.

    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3306263

    A little more than 100 miles away but in Gerogia

    http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/bear-attacks-hunter-in-south-georgia/nQMWT/

    Not a bear attack, but what happens when bears learn how to get food from humans.

    http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/oct/05/bears-killed-after-roaming-chatsworth-georgia/

    The incident in the OP is clearly caused by the neighbor not doing what is right. In bear country there are usually laws requiring food, trash etc., be stored properly. No bird feeders etc. If you do not follow the law, you could, and should be prosecuted.
     
  11. Art Eatman

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    Don't get all exercised over the "gut shoot" remark. I've heard that more than once in other contexts, said with a grin. A lot of folks will say whatever bubbles up from imagination. It's just a smart-mouth one-liner.
     
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    jmr, thanks for the links. Funny thing is none of those made it in the news in our area and we're only a couple of hours from Gatlinburg.
     
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    you should give the game warden at least a chance to deal with it any way they want too.
     
  15. buck460XVR

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    If you live in Black Bear country, you have to deal with....Black Bears. Many of us live in closer proximity to Blackies than we ever know. They generally are not a big threat and tend to shy from human intervention. Most of the time folks invite them with accessible garbage and/or table scraps left outside for dogs. Shooting one just cause they are there will get you in trouble. Even considering gut shooting one with a .22 shows one has no idea what they are dealing with. Get rid of the food source and then if the bear still persists, call your local warden. At least if the bear needs to be put down it will be done by someone who can do it humanely.
     
  16. cassandrasdaddy

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    Only had 2 bear give me trouble. The second one I shot with plastic buckshot in the rear from about 35-40 feet. He never came back.got the idea from a show about how they handle em in Vail

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  17. Patocazador

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    We can't even legally do that. The Florida black bear got classified as a threatened subspecies so no harassment is allowed. As far as I know, they are the same subspecies/species as the eastern black bears. It's a ploy by the antis to stop bear hunting. So far it has worked. They did the same thing with gators back in the early 70s and now we have 2 million gators. The Sierra Club and the Audubon Society are NOT hunter friendly.
     
  18. Zeke/PA

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    Garbage and trash bags are an attractant as are bird feeders,pet feeding dishes and gas/charcol grills. Keep stuff closed up especially at night. A screened in porch is not a deterrent either.
    If the bear becomes troblesome, it's best to notify the Game Department in your state.
     
  19. 03Shadowbob

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    I was on that hunt when the video was taken, might have been when I killed a big sow. There is a group of us that hunt on 25,000 acres in south florida near immokalee. Rug has seen that bear more than once. There are quite a few on the farm and we anxiously await florida opening a bear season.
    That stand is close to 20' in the air.
     
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    In our little mountain community, black bears are frequent visitors to our property, and our neighbors. We have never found them to be threatening our aggressive, although I know that they have the potential for violence, so watch them carefully and try not to surprise them or let them surprise me.
    I,m a hunter and have no problem with killing animals under fair chase and quick kill rules, but "gut shooting" a bear so it will go off and die a miserable death is disgusting.
    As everyone has already said, secure the trash and things that attract bears. They don't just hang out in your yard waiting to attack you. They are looking for food. Worst case, 12 gauge rubber buckshot in the butt will usually convince them to find another yard with a bang and a stinging sensation without causing permanent harm. :scrutiny:
     
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    A big can (fire-extinguisher-size) of pepper spray can work well. Just don't spray it upwind. Then it blows back on you and just becomes "seasoning". :)

    If the same bear becomes a serious nuisance, the state wildlife dept should take care of it. Follow the advice of the others here in terms of making your property less attractive to bears and contact the state if it continues.

    Matt
     
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    Two Recent Wisconsin Black Bear Attacks

    Man escapes attack after wife whacks bear on head with gun: She didn't know how to load the weapon, Marinette County sheriff's report says

    May 16, 2013

    A woman whacked a young bear over the head with a gun, rescuing her husband from an attack outside their Silver Cliff cabin Wednesday, the Marinette County Sheriff's Office said. Gerre Ninnemann, the husband, originally saw the bear running after his dog, the sheriff's report says. He went outside to call the dog in, and while the dog made it home, Ninnemann didn't. The bear tackled him in a chase, biting and clawing at his back.

    He momentarily got away and ran to the corner of the cabin, but the bear was faster and mauled him again. Ninnemann's wife, Marie, took a gun from the basement but didn't know how to load the shells. She took the weapon outside and hit the bear on the head, giving her husband his chance to escape. Pointing the gun at the bear, the couple backtracked into their cabin.

    The bear continued to circle the home and look in the windows. The wife called the Sheriff's Department about 1:30 p.m. After the deputy arrived, the bear walked to the front passenger side of the squad car, where the responding deputy shot and killed it.

    Ninnemann had bite marks from his belt line up to the back of his head, among other injuries, and was taken to the hospital, the report says. The animal is being checked for rabies in Madison, and wildlife health officials are performing a necropsy, an examination of a dead animal, to determine what may have led the bear to attack, Department of Natural Resources area wildlife supervisor John Huff said.

    The bear was only a year old, Huff said, and it was probably on its own for the first time this year. Bear attacks are so rare that the occurrences are difficult to track. There have been only a few attacks in Wisconsin in recent decades, Huff said.

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/wiscon...an-in-marinette-county-cp9vfsd-207722951.html
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    Burnett County man mauled in rare black bear attack: Bear may have been drawn by food

    June 18, 2013

    A man doing yard work in Burnett County in northwestern Wisconsin was mauled by a black bear, the state Department of Natural Resources said.

    Although such incidents are rare, a man in Marinette County in northeastern Wisconsin was attacked by a black bear a month ago. The injuries were serious enough in the Burnett County case that the man was taken by helicopter to North Memorial Medical Center in Robbinsdale, Minn., with multiple injuries, including his face, the DNR said.

    The man was identified as Gerald Brown of rural Shell Lake. The incident on Monday night started when Brown's dog tangled with the bear. Brown tried to intervene and was mauled.

    Brown's brother shot at the bear, but the DNR does not believe the bear was wounded, said Mike Zeckmeister, a wildlife supervisor for the agency. Hounds tried to pick up the scent of the bear on Tuesday but were unable to do so, Zeckmeister said. Two live traps have been set and if the bear is caught, the animal will be killed.

    The DNR believes the bear was drawn to the property by food — the property had shelled corn and bird feed. The owners also raise chickens, which were not kept in a chicken coop. "The concern is that we think that the bear may have imprinted on humans and there was food there, and that was the root cause of the attack," Zeckmeister said.

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/burnet...e-black-bear-attack-b9936668z1-212007471.html
     
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    Instead of putting trash outside just take it to a disposal site. When we get 2 bags of trash I take it off then. My neighbors wait until they fill up a can to dispose of trash. They have coyotes turning over the cans and chewing up their plastic trash cans. If coyotes will chew open a trash can I can imagine what a black bear will do.
     
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    I think it's ironic that those are called "bear attacks" when in both cases, the humans involved attacked the bear under the premise of saving their dogs after the dogs themselves initiated contact. Still, one bear is dead and the other will be.
     
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    Shoot first !
     
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