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  1. cowboy77845

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    Did Beto's rant during the debates in Texas inadvertently surface the democrat party position. I see a mad scramble on TV from democrat spokespeople saying" not the is not the DNC position.
     
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    Beto is the poster boy white privilege nerd that wants everyone to like him. He will say anything and if he gets desperate enough he may even forget to lie. Like we saw last night.
     
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    Confiscation is the public position of ALL of the lower rung candidates and the private opinion of the rest. Biden is also in favor of buybacks.

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    Democrats push mandatory federal buyback of ‘assault weapons’; prosecution for owners who don’t comply:
    http://www.gopusa.com/democrats-pus...apons-prosecution-for-owners-who-dont-comply/


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    Among Democrats, 'Mandatory Gun Buyback' Plan Gains Traction:
    https://pjmedia.com/trending/among-democrats-mandatory-gun-buyback-plan-gains-traction/

    Biden says he's coming for assault weapons, as 2020 Dems urge new ban in wake of shootings:
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-assault-weapons-ban-shootings

    Joe Biden: Banning Assault Weapons Works
    That’s why, as president, I will push to ban them again.:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/11/opinion/joe-biden-ban-assault-weapons.html

    O’Rourke Supports Mandatory Gun Buyback Program:
    https://freebeacon.com/politics/orourke-supports-mandatory-gun-buyback-program/

    Klobuchar: Mandatory gun buybacks is not gun confiscation:
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/klobuchar-mandatory-gun-buybacks-is-not-gun-confiscation
     
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    So Robert Francis wants to confiscate all of the guns intended for warfare.
    I collect military firearms ranging from flintlocks and cap and ball muskets through Springfield 1903s and 1898 Mausers to WASRs and AR-15s.
    All BUT the latter two are designed for warfare... .
     
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    So which candidate is for gun rights again? ... :)
     
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    Beto doesn't have a chance. But I feel sure he's enjoying the spotlight and that could help him run against Cruz in the next election (he would think).
     
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    He's dead in the polls and knows it, this is just an attempt to make himself relevant and it's really unlikely to work. He's also killed any chance at a senate seat because you can't win a statewide race in Texas with that on your record.

    Biden or Warren is a foregone conclusion at this point, and I'd put my money on the latter making it to the general if I had to bet.
     
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    But he sure is going to fire up Trump's base and increase the push for any gun owner to vote for Trump.

    All this fervor on gun ban/confiscation is also overshadowing any meaningful talk/coverage by the presidential candidates on the "issues" which is only going to help Trump.

    Go Beto! :rofl:
     
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    Elizabeth Warren's New Plan On Guns Has A Goal: Reduce Gun Deaths By 80%:
    https://www.npr.org/2019/08/10/7499...an-on-guns-has-a-goal-reduce-gun-deaths-by-80


    Elizabeth Warren on Gun Control
    Handguns kill 8 kids a day; why don't we mobilize?
    Extend the federal assault weapons ban
    Supports gun control
    Voted YES on banning high-capacity magazines of over 10 bullets.
    Supports restricting the Second Amendment.
    https://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Elizabeth_Warren_Gun_Control.htm
     
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    I read that gun sales are up because of all the campaign talk. It might be time to buy an AR if you don't already have one.
     
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    Chief spreading bull is probably the most anti gun of the ones likely to get the nom.
     
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    I’ve been told the “weapon of war” that’s killed the most Americans is the 1851 Springfield musket, don’t know that it’s true.

    The one that banned bump stocks and doesn’t like suppressors at all.
     
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    Somebody ask bozo (doesn't deserve caps ) If he's eaten any good dirt lately. If the dems ever tried to do this it would spark a civil war that would make the last one look like a Kindergarten squabble.

    bozo can have my AR......bullets first.
     
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    President Trump: We Won’t Sacrifice Gun Rights to ‘Slippery Slope’
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...-we-wont-sacrifice-gun-rights-slippery-slope/

    So let me see if I have this straight:

    Trump: Limited actions E.G. on strengthening NICS, grants to states to enact their own RFLs

    DEMS: Gun Confiscation

    Answer from some on THR:

    Well, since Trump, we don't see a problem voting for DEMS ... or not voting, which ihas the same outcome ...
     
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  18. LiveLife

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    But he is singing a different song now - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...lated-information.849620/page-6#post-11212031
    • President Trump spent at least 30 minutes on the phone Tuesday with chief of NRA, the latest conversation in an aggressive campaign by gun rights advocates to influence the White House
    • Call ended the way [gun owners wanted] with president Trump espousing NRA talking points in the Oval Office and warning of the radical steps ... Democrats wanted to take in violation of the Second Amendment.
    • We have very, very strong background checks right now, but we have sort of missing areas and areas that don’t complete the whole circle,” ... adding, “I have to tell you that it’s a mental problem.”
    • Democrats would, I believe, give up the Second Amendment,” ... “A lot of the PEOPLE that put me where I am are strong believers in the Second Amendment, and I AM ALSO.”
    • ... a reminder that even if his initial response after the mass shootings was to say he would press for aggressive gun legislation, any such push would be seen as a betrayal of the NRA members who helped elect him.
    • In 2017, president Trump assured NRA members, “You came through for me, and I am going to come through for you.” And that's what happened after he talked with NRA chief assuring that even after another round of mass shootings, he was not interested in legislation establishing universal background checks and that his focus would be on the mental health of the gunmen, not their guns.
    • According to staff present, president Trump did most of the talking with NRA chief and made it clear that he believes there are ways to scrutinize people’s fitness for gun ownership other than the current proposals. But his latest comments on guns were the strongest sign to date that he is unlikely to make bipartisan gun legislation a priority this fall, when Congress returns. Without president's backing, any chance of a bipartisan bill passing the Senate is likely to be dead on arrival.
    • President Trump told NRA chief he wanted to focus on mental health and access to juvenile criminal records which fall far short of the sweeping new restrictions that Democrats wanted and what president said after the August 3/4 shooting. (I believe pressure from gun owners sent a clear message to the president - You bet! Believe me, emails, calls and especially comments to his twitters will get the message across in 2019)
    • President’s remarks demonstrate how NRA's $30 million spent on Trump’s 2016 campaign and how NRA stuck with him when other Republicans wavered in their support, still wields great influence.
    • NRA chief expressed satisfaction with the outcome of the call. “We discussed the best ways to prevent these types of tragedies. President Trump is a strong 2A President and supports our right to keep and bear arms!
    • While president's aides said that he is still seeking legislative action but president’s definition of background checks is different from the type of universal background checks that Democrats want and ... his support quickly evaporated after a late-night Oval Office meeting with NRA officials. President Trump later threatened to veto a background check bill.
    • NRA has not been the only voice as president has heard from a wide range of conservative allies that his re-election chances will be in jeopardy if he makes a deal with Democrats on guns. (Thanks Ivanka for getting the "information" from law makers! ;):D :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:)
    • Earlier this month NRA chief said he “opposes any legislation that unfairly infringes upon the rights of law-abiding citizens.” Willes K. Lee, the second vice president of the NRA board and a key ally of NRA chief went further, tweeting recently that “Nothing short of disarming America satisfies @democrats. Give them NOTHING.
    • This year, the House passed its first two significant gun control measures in a quarter century. One of the bills would require background checks at gun shows and on internet sites, where private buyers and sellers can arrange to meet in person to complete a sale. A second bill would increase the waiting period if a potential buyer does not immediately pass a background check. These measures have stalled in the Republican-controlled Senate. So have the so-called red flag laws.
     
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    It would be a very bad time for one of these quacks to win the White House. Bad for them. The country is going great. But these idiots are creating civil unrest among gun owners. Gun owners, left or right, are not the people you want to be pissed off at you.

    It would have been much better (for them) had they just continued to chip away instead of jumping the gun (pun intended) and blatantly admitting what we’ve known forever. But Robert Francis isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed. But he is definitely a tool.
     
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    At least he had the fortitude to layout his plan on the table, more than I can say for any other politician.

    Others would (1) say we need “common sense” back ground checks and want to include person to person sales, to stop “loopholes”.

    Once they get that, they will say (2) that’s not good enough because “how do we know if people are still selling without back ground checks?” So now they need the personal inventory of every gun owner, that’s just “common sense”, otherwise you could still sell them and no one would know.

    Yeah, you guessed it the next step is to come and get them, the kicker is at step 2 they caught you in a trap. If you say you sold it, you are a criminal and if they find something you didn’t declare in #1 you are also a criminal.

    In the immortal words of Nancy Reagan, just say no.
     
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    The one who will do the least damage to the 2nd Amendment.
     
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    I especially appreciated this post:
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