Spec ops Grunt
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Wouldnt a .410 shotgun work?
better mouse gun 22 lr or 25acp
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Taurus TP22
Taurus states in their manual for the TP22 that cartridges such as CCI Stingers should not be used in the gun. My TP22 feeds reliably for me with only one type of one brand of cartridge. I have not yet tried all of the available types of 22 LR cartridge.
Tom
Taurus states in their manual for the TP22 that cartridges such as CCI Stingers should not be used in the gun. My TP22 feeds reliably for me with only one type of one brand of cartridge. I have not yet tried all of the available types of 22 LR cartridge.
Tom
confed sailor
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well, i wouldnt want to only have that, if it was a 25 or nothing, id love to have it. and my grandfather would have to disagree with you, his baby browning saved his life.
though i suppose you walk around in a russian greatcoat with a Wildey on your hip and a BFR in a shoulder rig
The fact is, more people are killed in the U.S. w/ the
supposed dimunitive .22 than any other caliber. The reason for this is when it enters the human body it tumbles rather
than drill straight ahead like a large more powerful weapon
sometimes exiting the body with a hole the same size as
the entry wound. Its a whole other story should the respective
bullets hit bone or other solid matter.
NO, I'm not advocating a .22 as a primary choice of weapons for personal carry. If anyone has ever shot a 2 x 4
piece of lumber and looked at the exit hole, they may want to change their mind and carry a .22 instead of a sharp stick.
As an example I used to take my personal weapon, a Bersa
Model 23 in .22 caliber and put 9 shots that could be covered by a large fist at 7 yards in under 3 seconds. Of course some of the students were not duly impressed. I explained one should carry as large a caliber as one can hit the target. 9 bee
stings would discourage most individuals quickly.
5 shots w/ a .454 that miss have little stopping power.
Sorry I got off track, bottom line...friends of mine have reported people being shot with .25's that actually bounced off peoples heads. Take the .22 and shoot it well. As a sidenote, my Bersa functioned as well as any 9mm, 40 or
.380 I've owned. And that included Berettas, and Sig's.
supposed dimunitive .22 than any other caliber. The reason for this is when it enters the human body it tumbles rather
than drill straight ahead like a large more powerful weapon
sometimes exiting the body with a hole the same size as
the entry wound. Its a whole other story should the respective
bullets hit bone or other solid matter.
NO, I'm not advocating a .22 as a primary choice of weapons for personal carry. If anyone has ever shot a 2 x 4
piece of lumber and looked at the exit hole, they may want to change their mind and carry a .22 instead of a sharp stick.
As an example I used to take my personal weapon, a Bersa
Model 23 in .22 caliber and put 9 shots that could be covered by a large fist at 7 yards in under 3 seconds. Of course some of the students were not duly impressed. I explained one should carry as large a caliber as one can hit the target. 9 bee
stings would discourage most individuals quickly.
5 shots w/ a .454 that miss have little stopping power.
Sorry I got off track, bottom line...friends of mine have reported people being shot with .25's that actually bounced off peoples heads. Take the .22 and shoot it well. As a sidenote, my Bersa functioned as well as any 9mm, 40 or
.380 I've owned. And that included Berettas, and Sig's.
dasmi
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No, I think the reason for this has more to do with the fact that there are so many .22 caliber guns out there, and so much .22 ammo sold.
Manedwolf
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Tropical Z said:.25acp is a waste of time,money,materials and effort.
And the most powerful handgun in the world doesn't do you much good if you had to leave it at home because it couldn't be concealed in the outfit you're wearing.
You wouldn't take a .25 to a SWAT raid, but for effectively saying "NO" to someone with a knife who wants your wallet, what's wrong with being able to express your sentiments eight or nine times in a way that can, yes, actually hurt them?
Vern Humphrey
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Manedwolf said:
Generally speaking, when people are forced in an emergency to rely on some inadequate piece of equipment, it's because they planned (or failed to plan) ahead.
Manedwolf said:
That would be my M1911 -- with one up the spout and an 8-round magazine.
1 old 0311
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A .25 will NOT bounce off a skull. I had a friend killed in a robery with 1 shot to the head with a Jennings.
I have/had .22,.25,.32,.380. Now my mouse is a N.A.A. .380. Looking for the same in .32. No matter what I carry in the mouse group I do carry a Dutch, mixed, load. FMJ, Hollowpoint, FMJ, Holowpoint.
Kevin
I have/had .22,.25,.32,.380. Now my mouse is a N.A.A. .380. Looking for the same in .32. No matter what I carry in the mouse group I do carry a Dutch, mixed, load. FMJ, Hollowpoint, FMJ, Holowpoint.
Kevin
confed sailor
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in fact a 25 will blitz thru a deer skull, truck bed and still bury itself in the dirt,
wanna how i know?
wanna how i know?
Here's a post I submitted last December - same issue
Igor takes a bullet.....
Quite a few years ago when I was living a slightly less-than-exemplary lifestyle, I witnessed the result (or lack thereof) of a .25 auto shooting.
I fellow I knew, nicknamed Igor, was on the receiving end of a fmj .25 acp. Now Igor was about 6'1" at around 210 lbs. most of which was very solid muscle, very little of it fat.
At any rate, Igor was at the top of a staircase of a seedy hotel on Main Street in Huntington Beach, California, when a guy at the bottom of the stairs who had a beef with Igor proceeded to shoot him with his mouse gun. It hit Igor in the abdomen, a little above and to one side or the other of his navel. I wasn't there at the time, but another friend said Igor looked down at his stomach, then at the shooter, and said something to the effect of, "You shot me you little *****, I'm gonna kill you!" - at which time the shooter decided to take up running as a viable exercise for his health as opposed to waiting around and letting Igor massage him a bit.
I didn't witness the shooting, but was at Igor's apartment later in the day, where he was sitting around drinking beer, with a bandaid over the (rather shallow) hole in his gut and grumbling about what he'd do to the guy if he came back. On a table next to him was the bullet that his girlfriend had removed with tweezers. It was summer at the beach and all the clothing between the bullet and Igor's skin was a t-shirt.
While I wouldn't want to be shot with a .25 (or anything) and Igor wasn't your average physical specimen - that was pathetic performance from a firearm.
Igor takes a bullet.....
Quite a few years ago when I was living a slightly less-than-exemplary lifestyle, I witnessed the result (or lack thereof) of a .25 auto shooting.
I fellow I knew, nicknamed Igor, was on the receiving end of a fmj .25 acp. Now Igor was about 6'1" at around 210 lbs. most of which was very solid muscle, very little of it fat.
At any rate, Igor was at the top of a staircase of a seedy hotel on Main Street in Huntington Beach, California, when a guy at the bottom of the stairs who had a beef with Igor proceeded to shoot him with his mouse gun. It hit Igor in the abdomen, a little above and to one side or the other of his navel. I wasn't there at the time, but another friend said Igor looked down at his stomach, then at the shooter, and said something to the effect of, "You shot me you little *****, I'm gonna kill you!" - at which time the shooter decided to take up running as a viable exercise for his health as opposed to waiting around and letting Igor massage him a bit.
I didn't witness the shooting, but was at Igor's apartment later in the day, where he was sitting around drinking beer, with a bandaid over the (rather shallow) hole in his gut and grumbling about what he'd do to the guy if he came back. On a table next to him was the bullet that his girlfriend had removed with tweezers. It was summer at the beach and all the clothing between the bullet and Igor's skin was a t-shirt.
While I wouldn't want to be shot with a .25 (or anything) and Igor wasn't your average physical specimen - that was pathetic performance from a firearm.
Manedwolf
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Vern Humphrey said:
Or you just can't walk around in a greatcoat year-round to hide a large-frame whatever, or you're a slender sort who wears fitted jeans with tucked-in shirts and doesn't have any bulk to hide a gun at the waistband.
Not everyone can CC a full-sized gun at all times. In which case, what I was saying...something is better than nothing. When I go out to dinner at a nice restaurant, I'm not prepping to take part in a SWAT raid, or that a load of terrorists and ninjas or whatever might bust into the restaurant, as to "planning ahead"...
Manedwolf
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meef said:
Thing is...The guy took one shot. That's why a lot of said "mouse guns" have a decent mag. If I have a round chambered in a 950, that's nine shots.
And as another poster said, I do the same thing. Federal FMJ, then Speer Gold Dot hollowpoint, then FMJ, HP, etc.
p35
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tgfang said:
Taurus used to be infamous for telling owners not to use .38+P in their .38s, or for that matter any high powered ammo in any of their guns. If you don't shoot the gun, you don't send it in for repair. I wouldn't hesitate to use Stingers if they worked reliably in my particular gun.
LightningJoe
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meef said:
True. But even pathetic performance kept Igor at the top of the stairs.
Vern Humphrey
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Manedwolf said:When I go out to dinner at a nice restaurant, I'm not prepping to take part in a SWAT raid, or that a load of terrorists and ninjas or whatever might bust into the restaurant, as to "planning ahead"...
The decision you make today will determine what you have at some future date when your life is at stake.
People often say, "If if's all you've got . . ." My response is, if it's all youve got, it's what you decided you would have.
Manedwolf said:When I go out to dinner at a nice restaurant, I'm not prepping to take part in a SWAT raid, or that a load of terrorists and ninjas or whatever might bust into the restaurant, as to "planning ahead"...
That is too funny. You must not frequent some of the restaurants I do.
Thanks for the chuckle.
mr.trooper
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LightningJoe said:
That cant be good for the gun.
LightningJoe
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mr.trooper said:
It may be bad for the ammunition. I carry the gun in the little change pocket inside my swim trunks, so it gets wet. It's stainless, but I suppose the springs aren't, so that's a consideration.
I was at an intensive care unit and a guy there had shot and killed his wife with a cheap 25 auto. He then put the pistol to his head and shot himself. The 25 cal bullet went through one side of his head and out the other side. He died after about 3 weeks in a coma.
I once read somewhere that a 25 auto will penetrate through and through a person's skull about 60 percent of the time during real world shootings to the brain/head.
I once read somewhere that a 25 auto will penetrate through and through a person's skull about 60 percent of the time during real world shootings to the brain/head.
MachIVshooter
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p35 said:
Just a little tid bit to add on the stinger discussion. For one, they are slightly longer than most .22 LR ammo and occasionally have related feeding problems (I have had magazines bind with stingers). The more important fact is this; the Stingers were designed to increase lethality of .22 LR on varmints and the like. While they have considerably more power coming from a rifle, they use a relatively slow burning powder and do not exhibit any real advantage in short barreled handguns. I have chronographed so many different .22 LR cartridges from so many different guns I have lost count, but I distinctly remember being dissapointed with stingers from my AMT Back-Up .22.
What about .17M2 or .17HMR?
Would a .17 do more damage at close range, given the type of bullet and velocity?
There's no real "stopping power" in any of these rounds, so what about penetration and expansion?
Also, S&W makes a NICE but pricey 7-shot snubbie in .22WMR. Only weighs 11 oz.
It would outperform the .22LR and the .25ACP, and with a DA revolver, rimfire reliability is not a huge problem. Just pull the trigger again. Moreover, .22WMR is better ammo than your $10/brick plinking LR rounds.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...d=10001&productId=14744&langId=-1&isFirearm=Y
Would a .17 do more damage at close range, given the type of bullet and velocity?
There's no real "stopping power" in any of these rounds, so what about penetration and expansion?
Also, S&W makes a NICE but pricey 7-shot snubbie in .22WMR. Only weighs 11 oz.
It would outperform the .22LR and the .25ACP, and with a DA revolver, rimfire reliability is not a huge problem. Just pull the trigger again. Moreover, .22WMR is better ammo than your $10/brick plinking LR rounds.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...d=10001&productId=14744&langId=-1&isFirearm=Y
I've carried my Beretta 950 Jetfire in .25ACP for almost 20 years. It is a very high quality pistol with a mirror blue finish. I carry it in a light weight, moulded leather pocket holster that breaks up it's print against the fabric of my pocket. I use the blue nosed Glaser Safety slugs (don't think they make them in .25 gray). I shot some gallon jugs of water with both the Glaser and full metal jacket just to see the difference. The GSS was definitely more powerful.
Frangible rounds seem to make more sense for small caliber self defense rounds because they cause more capillary damage with a wider (though more shallow) wound channel. As for the difference between rimfire and centerfire ammo, I've heard that 22 rimfire is not as reliable (ignition and long term storage) as .25ACP. I've never had a misfire with my Jetfire.
Since the first rule of self defense is to have a gun, this little .25 auto fits the bill more often than not for my lifestyle and clothing selection.
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Frangible rounds seem to make more sense for small caliber self defense rounds because they cause more capillary damage with a wider (though more shallow) wound channel. As for the difference between rimfire and centerfire ammo, I've heard that 22 rimfire is not as reliable (ignition and long term storage) as .25ACP. I've never had a misfire with my Jetfire.
Since the first rule of self defense is to have a gun, this little .25 auto fits the bill more often than not for my lifestyle and clothing selection.
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