Beware of Turkish made pump shotguns with "Winchester" on them.

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I'm now negotiating a return with GB seller on an SXP that I just inspected at my local FFL this afternoon for transfer. This gun is a reject and not what I expect from a brand new Winchester. It looks like the gun is factory marked with black ink that ran when exposed to the oil inside the plastic bag the gun was wrapped in. The gun was listed as FACTORY NEW. I told them if they did not give me a a full refund and pay for the return shipping, I will file a credit card chargeback. I think I should just fix the internally-scratched magazine tube on my Remington 870 police pump and keep it as my home defender. I should just stick with guns that don't have letter/number markings printed on them with some kind of ink or paint. Avoid all firearms with markings printed on with ink. That's a sign right there of super cheap. I've also heard these SXP's have issues with feeding and shell loading.

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I am sorry this has happened to you. But I have to disagree. My SXP Defender has been flawless. It has a slick action and shoots anything I put through it. In some ways it is better quality than my 1300 sitting next to it. I don't know if the color has anything to do with your failure. Mine is black and has suffered no such events.
 
Overreact much?

I picked up a new vehicle from the dealer a few years ago and found a scratch once I got home. That was obviously a sign of the poor materials and workmanship of the manufacturer, right?

Ask for a refund or discount, sure...but turning a minor cosmetic blem into an indictment against an entire product line is a bit of hyperbole.

I've also heard these SXP's have issues with feeding and shell loading.

Yet you bought it anyway?

I haven't had any issues with my SXP. Is it equal to my Beretta 1301 in quality? No. Is it a piece of junk? Also no.
 
No one has tried to hide the fact that SXPs have been made in Turkey for a good while now.

Many folks have had good luck with them and have accepted them at the price point they represent which I have to say, is fair.

Sorry about your problem but this is not the norm.
 
Did you contact the seller?

I have contacted the seller by email. No response yet. I contacted my credit card bank, Bank of America, and started a chargeback dispute. I have contacted my local FFL also and told him of the issues. I asked him how long he OK with keeping the gun at his shop while I'm trying to get this dispute thing ironed out.

I ordered the flat earth model to be fancy and special and maybe the issue is with that finish. It appears that the black SXP trademark dissolved in the gun oil that was on the gun. There was black oily residue inside the plastics bag also. It must not be a very durable material they mark the black lettering over earth finish with. I prefer stamping and engraving of lettering into gun surfaces. I don't think painted-on lettering will last that long under normal wear and exposure to gun oils and solvents. Savage has silver lettering on their 220 model bolt slug guns. I wonder how durable that lettering is? Do camo-colored stocks and gun metal tend to have short-lived finishes?

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I think I should just fix the internally-scratched magazine tube on my Remington 870 police pump and keep it as my home defender.

At last we agree on something.

Seriously, just take the paint or whatever off and be done with. I wouldn't want go around showing off that I bought an SXP either. ;) Maybe without the logo some will think it's a Nova.
 
I hate painted guns because............. IT WEARS OFF FAST WHEN YOU USE IT. If it bothers you get a can of Krylon or Rustoleum and make it pretty again. It's just make up.

If I had my way, I'd prefer old-fashioned bluing and metal stamping, better than roll stamping, even better, laser engraving or machine engraving of the letters and numbers. Markings are stamped in receiver. Even the anodized black aluminum on my 1990-vintage Mossy 500 dove gun is far superior over this Turk painted-on crap. My 2005-vintage Remington 870 home defender has a steel receiver with lettering stamped in and it has some dark matte gunmetal finish. Still no cheap painted-on stuff. I did get some feedback three days ago from the GB seller and they asked me to send them a photo of the damage which I did already. Still, they are dragging their feet on responding back to me.
 
Everyone is different I have two sxp's and they work just fine. Probably 2500 rounds out of each one.
 
If I had my way, I'd prefer old-fashioned bluing and metal stamping, better than roll stamping, even better, laser engraving or machine engraving of the letters and numbers. Markings are stamped in receiver. Even the anodized black aluminum on my 1990-vintage Mossy 500 dove gun is far superior over this Turk painted-on crap. My 2005-vintage Remington 870 home defender has a steel receiver with lettering stamped in and it has some dark matte gunmetal finish. Still no cheap painted-on stuff. I did get some feedback three days ago from the GB seller and they asked me to send them a photo of the damage which I did already. Still, they are dragging their feet on responding back to me.

Why did you buy a FDE coated shotgun if you favor the blued metal variety? You bought an FDE cerakote on a shotgun! That is a coating of sorts than does wear in places over time. The painted on logo on top of the cerakote coming off will not affect the functioning firearm. My black SXP had the red Winchester name on the side of it until I used a solvent based cleaner. Now it's not there at all. Yet the shotgun is as slick as ever. I owned a fancy FDE Glock at one time. That's when over time I found out the coating has shortcomings just like everything else eventually.
 
Why did you buy a FDE coated shotgun if you favor the blued metal variety? You bought an FDE cerakote on a shotgun! That is a coating of sorts than does wear in places over time.

Even wood furniture isn't immune from this. First time I took my wood stocked 870 Express out in the field I discovered that whatever finish Remington had used reacted very negatively to the mosquito repellant I had on my hands. Literally the first time out all the finish wore away off the grip. I ended up just stripping off the finish and redoing it with TruOil later.
 
I have contacted the seller by email. No response yet. I contacted my credit card bank, Bank of America, and started a chargeback dispute. I have contacted my local FFL also and told him of the issues. I asked him how long he OK with keeping the gun at his shop while I'm trying to get this dispute thing ironed out.

I ordered the flat earth model to be fancy and special and maybe the issue is with that finish. It appears that the black SXP trademark dissolved in the gun oil that was on the gun. There was black oily residue inside the plastics bag also. It must not be a very durable material they mark the black lettering over earth finish with. I prefer stamping and engraving of lettering into gun surfaces. I don't think painted-on lettering will last that long under normal wear and exposure to gun oils and solvents. Savage has silver lettering on their 220 model bolt slug guns. I wonder how durable that lettering is? Do camo-colored stocks and gun metal tend to have short-lived finishes?

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I have a couple Turk shotguns, one a Weatherby, the other a tristar. Both punch WAY above their weight. I would not shy away from them at all.

And they get used A LOT. the weatherby is my wifes sporting clays gun, pre covid it got 100 rounds per week ran through it. The tristar is our "loner" shotgun, it is what we use to get people hooked on busting clays, if they are a little bigger we use my 1100. The wife is an itty bitty thing. Great guns that have been known to go weeks without cleaning, because I am lazy. They always run great.
 
Good grief! Quit obsessing over some useless paint and shoot it. I've had two SXP guns and they are great, smooth, reliable hunting guns. Never intended to be showpieces. I'd clean the paint off and be happy. Actually, I did on mine.
We even have a couple kids on our high school youth trap club shooting the SXP trap model and the Browning, Beretta, and Remington shooters have tried them and given good marks. (didn't offer to trade, however)
 
I bought a couple Stoeger M3000's about a month ago. Got them for a steal. So far they've been flawless.
I have a Stoeger P3500 and its a great shotgun! I put a Benelli 7rd tube extension on it and I had to saw off a small part of the thread section where the end cap goes on, then it fit fine. I can fit 6+1 3.5in shells in it and 8+1 2.75in shells!
 
Why did you buy a FDE coated shotgun if you favor the blued metal variety? You bought an FDE cerakote on a shotgun! That is a coating of sorts than does wear in places over time. The painted on logo on top of the cerakote coming off will not affect the functioning firearm. My black SXP had the red Winchester name on the side of it until I used a solvent based cleaner. Now it's not there at all. Yet the shotgun is as slick as ever. I owned a fancy FDE Glock at one time. That's when over time I found out the coating has shortcomings just like everything else eventually.

I did not know what it was coated with at the time. I just knew it looked cool in the pictures online, it was cheap and it had a reputable name like Winchester. Now I know a hell of lot better. Ithaca still makes an old-fashioned blued pump shotgun but $1,000-$2,000 is too pricey for a pump for me. I have not even seen any new Ithaca pump guns available for sale online.

 
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I did not know what it was coated with at the time. I just knew it looked cool in the pictures online, it was cheap and it had a reputable name like Winchester. Now I know a hell of lot better. Ithaca still makes an old-fashioned blued pump shotgun but $1,000-$2,000 is too pricey for a pump for me. I have not even seen any new Ithaca pump guns available for sale online.



So you prefer blued steel and wood, but don't want to pay for it.

That's called 'compromise', and it's what we all do; it's why every car dealership doesn't sell Bentley or Mercedes vehicles. That's how the world works.

Now, ranting about how the Hyundai you decided to buy isn't a Mercedes? That's just a failure to grasp the nature of these compromises.


Larry
 
So you prefer blued steel and wood, but don't want to pay for it.

That's called 'compromise', and it's what we all do; it's why every car dealership doesn't sell Bentley or Mercedes vehicles. That's how the world works.

Now, ranting about how the Hyundai you decided to buy isn't a Mercedes? That's just a failure to grasp the nature of these compromises.


Larry

I drive a 1995 Toyota and I'm perfectly happy with it. No Rolls-Royce price but still no cheesy painted or inked badges on the body. Still solid chrome molded TOYOTA letters on the body that don't smudge with a car wash or rub off with a wax job. Now, for the Toyota-grade pump shotgun! I'd say my 1990 Mossy 500 and my 2005 Remmy 870 fits that category. Both are American-built like my 1995 Corolla DX sedan from Fremont, California. Both guns didn't originally retail for more than $450 each. Trademarks are actually stamped in the metal on those two guns of mine. That SXP seems more like some cheesy plastic $10 toy fire engine from Walmart with stick on decals that peel right off.
 
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