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Bill forces ALL states to accept CCW permits

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by jfountain2, Apr 16, 2008.

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  1. jfountain2

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    Just read this on another forum, I wish I could get a list of the 33 congress members who support this bill. Hopefully it will go through.
    Read it below or follow this link... http://www.nwaonline.net/articles/2008/04/14/news/041508dcgunrecip.txt
    Bill Forces States To Accept Concealed Gun Permits

    By Aaron Sadler
    THE MORNING NEWS
    WASHINGTON -- Americans with state-issued concealed weapons permits would be allowed to carry guns wherever they travel in the country under a bill introduced Monday by 3rd District Rep. John Boozman, R-Rogers.

    The measure would eliminate a mishmash of concealed weapons regulations that vary from state to state, Boozman contends. All states would be forced to recognize concealed handgun permits from elsewhere.

    Gun control advocates oppose the bill. They say that gun permit standards in some states are so weak that other jurisdictions deserve the right to refuse those license holders.

    Boozman said the bill ensures Second Amendment rights.

    "I've always felt like you can have a gun, openly display it, and there not be a problem," he said. That some states reject licensed permits from other states "infringes on the Constitution."

    Nearly 62,000 Arkansans have concealed gun permits.

    Arkansas permit holders are allowed to carry a concealed weapon in 27 states, including every neighboring state.

    Arkansas recognizes permits issued in 30 states.

    Fourteen states do not recognize permits issued elsewhere.

    "You have friends who are used to having a gun in their car and things like that, then inadvertently being over the state line or out of state and being concerned they were running afoul of state law," Boozman said.

    Boozman's bill would require even Illinois and Wisconsin, which do not have right-to-carry laws, to recognize licenses issued in other states.

    A bipartisan group of 33 House members are co-sponsors of the bill, Boozman said.

    He acknowledged that it may be difficult to gain enough support for the legislation, and said there is anti-gun sentiment in the Democratic-led Congress. But he cited statistics that indicate crime decreases in states with concealed guns laws.

    According to a study cited by the National Rifle Association, violent crime declined each year from 1977 to 1994 in jurisdictions where a concealed gun law was in effect.

    Peter Hamm, a spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said his organization is not anti-gun, but it opposes the bill because of its impact on states.

    "There are already too many states that have too weak a system of approving people for concealed-carry permits," Hamm said. "I don't think the majority of states want to rely on the systems of other states to let someone carry a loaded, concealed handgun across state borders."

    For instance, Florida's standards are so low that some death-row inmates there have permits, he said.

    Arkansas at one time had minimum reciprocity requirements, said state police spokesman Bill Sadler. Those regulations mandated that other states' training standards must be equal to or stronger than Arkansas' minimum requirements for a permit holder.

    The General Assembly since has stripped those requirements, Sadler said.

    Sadler said he would not comment on the merits of Boozman's bill until he had seen the proposed legislation.

    Boozman said he feels strongly that Americans should be allowed to carry guns.

    "I grew up in Arkansas, and it was not uncommon to see people in high school with gun racks in the back of their trucks, who would go squirrel hunting after school was over," Boozman said. "To be honest, it's something I always felt like there wasn't any question we could do these things."

    His 26-year-old daughter, Kristen Boozman, has an Arkansas concealed weapons permit, as do other family members, he said. The congressman himself does not.
     
  2. BigG

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    Per the Constitution:

    How is a gun permit any different than a marriage license or driver's license? :confused:
     
  3. Eightball

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    How dumb can the guy be? "Our organization is anti-gun by name, but it's not anti-gun."

    Someone needs to get that list. If my congress critters aren't on it, I'm going to write them until they are.

    Now, is this because they had them before they were arrested and put on death row, or did they apply for them and undergo the necissary course training while on death row with the prison guards' consent? Maybe the prison guards let the inmates borrow their weapons to take the class?
    :rolleyes:
     
  4. jfountain2

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    I just called the Congressman Boozman's office and they are sending me a link to the list of co-sponsors. I will post it as soon as I have it.


    Edit. Okay here's the list as it appears on the bill.


    IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

    April 14, 2008
    Mr. BOOZMAN (for himself, Mr. MCCOTTER, Mr. SESSIONS, Mr. PETERSON of Pennsylvania, Mr. MILLER of Florida, Mr. MARCHANT, Mr. HUNTER, Mr. WESTMORELAND, Ms. GINNY BROWN-WAITE of Florida, Mrs. CUBIN, Mr. BURTON of Indiana, Mr. YOUNG of Alaska, Mr. FRANKS of Arizona, Mr. HAYES, Mr. GARRETT of New Jersey, Mr. CANNON, Mr. WILSON of South Carolina, Mr. WAMP, Mr. HALL of Texas, Mr. HENSARLING, Mr. DEAL of Georgia, Mr. GINGREY, Mr. ROGERS of Kentucky, Mr. ROGERS of Alabama, Mr. KELLER of Florida, Mr. ADERHOLT, Mr. MCINTYRE, Mr. SOUDER, Mr. LAMBORN, Mr. CAMP of Michigan, Mr. REHBERG, Mrs. MILLER of Michigan, Mr. MOLLOHAN, and Mr. SALI) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
     
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    Several national reciprocity bills have been attempted in the past and failed. I would be pleasantly surprised to see this one make it and truly hope it does.
     
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    Find link to bill & full text of HR 5782 here.
     
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    Most interesting. Duncan Hunter is on that list, I recently attended a meeting with him and spoke to him on the phone regarding a different issue. I'll have to call and thank him for his support.
     
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    Yes my Representative was on the list as well - I've given him my thanks.
     
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    D'oh - I guess full faith and credit does not apply, according to you gurus -
     
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    I don't know about you, but I don't consider myself a guru, just an average citizen who wants to be able to remain armed while driving across States without getting thrown into jail.

    Of course full faith & credit should apply, but the States have been ignoring it illegally. Someone could volunteer to be caught with a concealed weapon in California with a valid permit from another State, and then take it to court pleading full faith & credit, but something tells me that we'll be underwhelmed with volunteers jumping at the bit to take that risk. Passing a law telling States that they must provide full faith & credit to other States can bypass the issue of leaving it up to Judges to decide.
     
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    alas i do not have anyone to call to let them know to support this bill.

    fianstien and boxer would kill this bill.:what:

    pitty us here in ca.


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    but i do have a utah permit :neener:
     
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    yay utah!
     
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    I'd sure like to see anything that supports that ludicrous assertion. :rolleyes:
     
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    Wow. The Brady Bunch lie all the time, but this one is a whopper

    You have to pass an FBI background check to get a Florida Concealed Weapons License.
     
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    Why is it that my marriage and drivers license's are valid in all of the USA but my CCW is not??


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    Because our government chooses to acknowledge statutory law while ignoring the Constitution.
     
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    I would definitely like to quit paying $100 every year for my Massachusetts non-resident permit.
     
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    To play devil's advocate, would this bill violate the principle of Federalism and be just another power grab by the Feds? South Carolina is working on a similar bill that would grant reciprocity to any state that issues permits to its own citizens.
     
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    even if it was to pass it will be struck down by the courts...

    This is a pipe dream.( atleast for the near future)


    Oh and to all the people that say, but my DL and my marrage Lic is good every where...so does that mean all lic and permits should be good everywhere?
     
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    I guess my point has always been you do not need a permit to exercise a right, so I reject the concept of permission = Mommy may I? The permit system is just another infringement that people make valid by slavishly grasping at it.
     
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    What about the right to work in your chosen profession? Lots of jobs out there require some type of permit/ lic... do you think those are infringments as well?
     
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    I have contacted my Representative here in VA, Thelma Drake and the one for my home of record (stationed in VA but home of record is NC) Howard Coble. I would love to see this bill passed.
     
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    Double tap - sorry!
     
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    The "right to work" is not enumerated in the BILL OF RIGHTS. I thought that's what we are talking about infringement of the right to bear arms.

    Right to work in chosen profession is nowhere specifically guaranteed. What if your chosen profession is medicine and you don't believe in medical school or licenses? I think the STATE has a role in some areas like this, although they try to expand it as much as possible. Also, unions and professional organizations try to burden up the process with to my mind useless requirements simply to protect their jobs.

    The right to bear arms is a totally different case from the "right" to work in your chosen profession.
     
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    The bill of rights is a "add on" to the USCONs. Also things like peacably assemble frequently require a permit to do so... sad reality is that we don't have any rights that are not infreinged apon in one form or another.
     
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