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Bill to make Hawaii Shall-Issue!

Discussion in 'Legal' started by kage genin, Feb 14, 2006.

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  1. kage genin

    kage genin Member

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    This is looking like a trend that's catching on nationwide! I hope California is next! :D
    From Hawaii Reporter:
     
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  2. ElTacoGrande

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    I would be just stunned and unable to process reality if HI went shall-issue. I'm sure NY and CA will be shall-issue before Hawaii. They do not have the American culture of individualism and the American ethics of use-of-force that are pre-requisites for a successful CCW program.

    Of course I hope they do get it; CCW should be legal everywhere in the world, IMHO.
     
  3. ElTacoGrande

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    Btw, HI currently has "may issue" but in reality it's "never ever issue". They don't even have an application form. There are no licensed permit holders in HI AFAIK. In CA (which is may-issue) permits are handed out as favors to well-connected people, but in HI this isn't done. They just never ever issue permits. HI should really be classified as "never issue", not "may issue".
     
  4. Joey2

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    Violent crimes and home break-ins are on the rise here. The drug of choice is crack.

    We are also getting more Mexicans from Mexico moving over hear partaking in the drug trade.

    I'am not holding my breath for the Shall Issue to pass.
     
  5. answerguy

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    I can think of two places a snowball would have a hard time surviving in; Hell & Hawaii.
     
  6. Gray Peterson

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    Yes, even the politicians don't get permits here, which is probably why this is being seriously considered. They have a friendly Governor.
     
  7. ElTacoGrande

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    There are more CCW permits issued in Canada than in HI. There are probably more CCW permits in the UK than in HI. There may even be more CCW permits in Japan than HI.

    So yeah, if it helps the politicians get it, and it helps everyone else too, then it's fine with me.
     
  8. Gray Peterson

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    Actually this is part of a set of bills: SB2530 through 2533 would repeal the 10 round mag ban, put in CCW for regular citizens, implement LEOSA in Hawaii, and preempt firearms regulations to a statewide level.
     
  9. AirForceShooter

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    going to be fun to watch.

    AFS
     
  10. cuchulainn

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    Ah wanna karra a gun
     
  11. ElTacoGrande

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    GO 808 STATE!

    That would be fantastic if they can actually achieve those things. But from what I know of the state, they're going to be (legally) packing guns on the Tokyo subway before they pack in Waikiki.
     
  12. Don't Tread On Me

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    Hawaii shouldn't even be a U.S. State. If they ever do get a strong secessionist movement going, I'll donate a few bucks to their cause.


    As for concealed carry, since they are part of the 'union', then the 2nd Amendment applies to them also. They seem to be rabidly anti-gun over there. It is regional and cultural. Pro-RKBA efforts there are a waste of money in my opinion. It's like trying to shove a pro-gun culture down Japan's throat.


    Well, sorry for all the negativity. If you guys succeed, then good for you. I'll be praying for you guys. Good luck!
     
  13. migoi

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    I'm sure the folks....

    at http://www.hawaii-nation.org/index.html will appreciate your dollars.

    I believe there is too much plantation/overseer/"someone else" will take care of things mentality here for these bills to ever pass.

    Ms. Migoi and I are on the 3-5 year escape plan. We will be moving out in the not too distant future. Our move is based on two factors...too expensive and confusion about the concepts of "citizen" and "subject".

    migoi
     
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    To date, anyway, Hawaii has expressed no interest in my vacation dollars.
     
  15. beerslurpy

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    Who the hell lives on hawaii anyway? I thought it was just full of navy personnel and japanese tourists. Who is left to vote? The original polynesian natives?
     
  16. crashresidue

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    Cheers beerslurpy,

    Did you mean "in Hawaii" or "on Hawaii"(which is the "big Island" to those of us who live here)?

    I moved here with a valid out of state conceled permit and got into a major shouting match with the local LEO's when I tried to get it re-issued here.

    I sure hope this bill passes - it'll turn me back into a law abiding citizen.

    Gentle winds,
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    I agree on that. They still have subject mentality or cane worker / plantation owner mentality. It persists through generations.

    I believe CCW is a fundamental thing that should be legal and possible everywhere, including Japan and Hawaii and everywhere. I disagree about pro-RKBA being useless in Japan. People everywhere should work for freedom and for their rights. Even if it's hopeless.

    Yup, I hope they succeed.
     
  18. ElTacoGrande

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    Wow, Crash, that is brave of you to even ask them. I mean, not even Gov. Lingle could get one right now. No one.

    And I'm glad you're packing anyway. The more people disobey a law, the less force the law has.

    Senor Slurpy, there are a lot of "locals" (non-military) on the islands. The military is only a small part of the population. Most of the "locals" are of mixed ancestry, but there are still somewhat distinct groups of Japanese-descent, Hawaiian-descent, other Asian, other Islanders, and haoles (whites). They all have different mentalities, but "freedom" in the sense that we use the word isn't a big deal for most of them. The Japanese descend from cane workers who were just above slaves in the spectrum of things, and the Hawaiians were subjects. Back in the old days, a commoner who stepped in the shadow of a royal could be killed for that.
     
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    I'm not sure what the point of getting in a shouting match was for. Did you think if you were loud enough that they would see it your way? Did you think you had a snowballs chance of them re-issuing it?
     
  20. crashresidue

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    Cheers,

    I didn't start the shouting match - but I'm NOT used to being addressed as a "subject" instead of a citizen.

    I've lived in restricted states before, so it wasn't any big deal - UNTIL I was spoken too in a manner which implied that I was too dumb to pound sand and was told "You don't need weapons - the police are here to protect you!"

    My mistakes from that point on were two: one, I laughed at him, in front of a bunch of people standing in the lobby including other LEO's and two, when I asked him how many bullets he had in his shirt pocket. He didn't understand this reference, but the people in the lobby did - they laughed loudly.

    At this point, his right hand repositioned close to his holster. I said "Son, I'd think about that, because I've killed more people than you've arrested and I'm pretty sure that I can clear this desk before you can clear your holster."

    It was "broken-up" by a Capt. asking what the problem was and I said I was just asking about conceled carry in HI. He said "You can't" and I said "That's what I've just been told" and I left.

    That was eight years ago - no problems of any kind with the local LEOs. In fact, some of them remember the incident and always bring it up when we meet on the street (or in the bars).

    Gentle winds,
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    I didnt get the reference either, but google helped me figure it out. And now I know who Barney Fife was more than just an insult.
     
  22. crashresidue

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    Cheers beerslurpy,

    Barney wasn't a bad guy - he was just WAY "behind the power curve".

    These LEOs here on Maui just don't have a clue about the real world. They are used to dealing with DUIs and an occasional house break in. They have no clue how to deal with an "ice" crime. "Drug related murders" are Greek to them.

    When I moved here, the biggest crime in the papers was a burglery of a " coin jar" containing "quarters".

    Not NOW! Talk about being behind the times!

    All my HDG's are: hammer down, one in the chamber, safety OFF! Except the 870 - she's loaded, not chambered. If you hear her "cycle" and don't STOP, then it's time to remove YOU from the gene pool!

    Nice guys, but I don't depend on them to keep me alive.

    Gentle winds,
    cr
     
  23. homeka45

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    Don't write us off, despite the "aloha spirit," Hawaiians were fierce warriors. We'll keep working to change things until people wake up. Thanks for the prayers and kind thoughts.
    BTW, someone needs to convince Sam Slom to run for governor.
     
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    I'd love to see it, but it will happen "When rocks fly and winos don't get high. When James Brown ain't funky and King Kong ain't a monkey."
     
  25. Trebor

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    I'd love to see Hawaii become more gun friendly. My wife and I love it there, but I don't want to move there under the current conditions.

    Btw, if any THR's want to meet up, we'll be on Mauii and Kaui in April and May.
     
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