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  1. hrgrisso

    hrgrisso Member

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    A friend and I went dove hunting this last fall. We bounced all around the desert of southern Arizona knocking 12ga 7 1/2 high brass all over the cab of his Tundra. Afterwards we cleaned up everything we could find.

    Since then we've gone deer hunting, quail hunting and even gone on a camping trip to northern Arizona.

    Last week a friend asks Joe if he can borrow his truck for a date and they cut a deal that (we'll call him Matt) Matt could take the truck so long as he got it detailed. Joe and I were BBQ'ing when we get a call from Matt saying "COME DOWN HERE NOW!"

    We headed down to the Car Wash. We see the truck next to a big industrial vacuum which has a HUGE bulge in it's side. The cops are there and the owner of the car wash looks like he's going to pop one of the veins standing out in either his head, or neck.

    The teenage kid detailing the truck had just stuck the vacuum up under the seat and found a shotgun shell we hadn't :evil:!!!!

    The vacuum was completely mangled from the inside. Nothing to be salvaged. So my buddy and the manager came to the agreement that if he'd pay 250 of the insurance deductable that no charges would be pressed. Thats after the manager found out he could also be held liable!

    So while I had a good sadistic laugh :evil: , let that be a warning to all you hunters out there, check UNDER your seats, because while your fingers may miss that one rogue shell, the local car wash vacuum may not!
     
  2. MrPeter

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    Wait, are you saying that the shell detonated in the vacuum?

    That would have to be pretty nuts to actually have stuck the primer hard enough to detonate it with something kind of pointy. Maybe a rock or something in the vacuum?

    Pretty funny story! I would let someone borrow my car for a detail! Sounds like you would have come up on top if it weren't for the deductible! :D
     
  3. Pat McCoy

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    No charges pressed for what?
     
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    I had always wondered what would happen with a shop vac and a cartridge, guess this clears it up.

    curious as to what one would be charged with in this instance? :uhoh:
     
  5. Eightball

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    Reminder--always look under the seats if you vaccuum.
     
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    Discharging a vacuum within city limits?

    Hunting dust mites out of season?
     
  7. Autolite

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    Vacuum cleaners and shotgun shells! I smell a new "Myth Busters" episode ...
     
  8. Sistema1927

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    Sounds like your friend got fleeced out of $250. It appears, to me at least, that his employee should have used more care in the use of the vacuum, and that the car wash should shoulder the cost. No, I am not kidding.

    Here is my reasoning: Who vacuums what they can't see, especially when they are vacuuming somebody else's property? I think that he should have been looking at where the nozzle was, not just to avoid "boom" but in order not to damage your property. This is common sense, plain and simple.

    As to the "charges being pressed", possibly your friend could have pressed charges for destruction of your shotgun shell. What if it had been a diamond ring?
     
  9. ceetee

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    Back when I was young and dumb (or at least young and uneducated), I propped a .410 shell up in the notch of an apple tree, and shot the primer with my BB gun from a distance of about two feet. There was a small "pouf" noise, and the shell above the brass grew a bulge, kinda like it had suddenly become pregnant. No bang, no explosion. I cut the shell open, poured out a handful of birdshot, and a lesser handful of powder. That said, I'm not calling BS on this story just yet... I do wish someone would come along, though, and explain how the shell got up enough chamber pressure to blow out the motor just rattling around loose inside the vacuum...
     
  10. tasco 74

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    i similiar thing happened to a friend of mine who's a mechanic.... he was putting in a new gas gauge into a gas tank... while useing a vacuum to suck the rocks and debis off the top of the he was woke up when the canister of the vac exploded....... seem gasoline fumes and electric motors don't mix!!!
     
  11. Car Knocker

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    Who wouldda thunk???
     
  12. rustymaggot

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    i think the kid at the wash sucked up the shell on purpose. if the kid did vacume where he couldnt see, well, thats just stupid. the owner of the truck should not have had to pay anything.

    someone will say that the truck owner is liable for leaving a dangerous item laying around but i disagree. it is the error of the kid at the wash. a "reasonable" person whould not miss a shot shell sized piece of personal property, and the wash employees should be responsible for damage to the truck owners personal property when it is removed from his truck.

    thats just my take. im not a lawyer. i am interested in knowing what charges were avoided by the truck owner paying.
     
  13. tank mechanic

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    This reminds me of what happened at my moms house recently. She hired a carpet cleaning service. In the course of shampooing the carpets, one of the cleaners came across a .380 round on the carpet. All cleaning stopped and the cleaner furiously picked up the round. He stormed over to my mother to show her the ticking time bomb that he had found. They refused to continue the job! Over one round!

    I think your friend was hosed too.
     
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    This at most would be a civil case. No crime. No arrest. Did someone call BS yet? Get him on the line.
     
  15. Gord

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    I'd have to agree - your friend got fleeced. It could have been a shotgun shell, a diamond ring (as someone else said), a rock, a pair of sunglasses, your pet hamster... whatever. The whole purpose of a vacuum is to suck things up, and if you're required to remove any objects over a given size before vacuuming it needs to be a posted notice somewhere. Otherwise, the kid doing the vacuuming should have been paying more attention.

    I'm also going to call BS on the idea that the shell exploded in the vacuum. Even if it did somehow cook off (in itself a remote possibility) at most it woulda burnt some powder and puked the lead out - without a chamber to contain the round, no "explosion" would have occured unless perhaps the receptacle on the vacuum was tiny enough for the pressure to be sufficient to blow it up (and if somebody is vacuuming your vehicle with a vacuum that has a bag the size of a mason jar, I would surmise that it's not a very good place to get your vehicle vacuumed).
     
  16. hrgrisso

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    Charges

    As to the exact charges, even the cops were mystified as to what charges anyone could face. There was something about reckless endangerment and destruction of property (the vacuum, not the shotgun shell). I wish I could give you more specifics but I was there to see the busted up vacuum. My involvment was relegated to sitting on the curb while the cops, Joe and the owner of the place hashed it out.

    Those cops sure don't like you laughing when they make a point, even if it doesn't make much sense. My buddy has green and is a little reckless with it, so he dropped the $250 and walked away. But yes I side with those who've said he should have fought it.

    Heck I'd love to see that one come before a jury "your honor, this man intentionally left a shotgun shell in his vehicle, knowing beforehand that the dumb high school d/o would not stop to investigate, thus delivering hundreds of dollars in damage to this magnificent industrial vacuum cleaner."
     
  17. hrgrisso

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    No Explosion

    There was no explosion in the Hollywood sense. I agree, that I don't believe it's possible. What did happen was a bulge in the sheetmetal shell that housed the vacuum parts. A bit of smoke, nothing to wild. A bit of scrapping screeching noise as the metal interior parts were still moving.

    Reportedly there was a loud bang but since I wasn't there, I can't say.
     
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    Don't all those car wash vacuums have filters to drop out change and other stuff they suck out of cars that might belong to the owner?
     
  19. bogie

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    Nothing to contain it. Shouldn't have been that big a deal. Unless there was a lot of powder or other crapola.
     
  20. BruceB

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    When the NRA did some controlled "cook-offs" of various ammunition types many years ago, they had some interesting results which were published (with photos) in the "American Rifleman".

    For the purposes of this discussion, it's sufficient to say that NO FRAGMENT of a fully-loaded .30-06 cartridge even penetrated a cardboard box placed over the cartridge before "cooking" it. Not the bullet, not the case, not primer fragments. Nothing.
     
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    I know for a fact that a live Winchester 209 primer, now where did I drop that :cuss: thing, will make a pretty loud noise when a Hoover vaccum picks it up from the carpet. Sounded about like a 22 rimfire.

    Scared the jeepers out of my wife:what: .
     
  22. October

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    Is there any chance that the shotgun shell could have set off a small explosion, similar to how grain elevators have exploded?
     
  23. shooting time

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    I think i will try that next time i get my car washed & vacumed.I will leave maybe a 22,9mm and a shotshell under the seat
     
  24. Hemicuda

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    My question is, WHO borrows a Toyota Tundra for a date? isn't an '88 Geo Metro just as cool, and you can afford them with pocket change... NOW, a 4x4 Dodge, I could see... :D
     
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    People who don't want to be stranded on the side of the road when their vehicle breaks down? :neener:
     
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