Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Arcticfox, Oct 6, 2021.
ETA: If a gun was actually made before 1899, it's an antique regardless of the ignition system. The statement in the previous paragraph applies to modern reproductions.
If flint/percussion - No (except . . .
. . . the store may still want for CYA)
I’ve done it myself.
CYA requests like that are really just training "them" (you and me) to accept more restrictions on any bangy thingies whatsoever.
I was going to use the word "infringements," instead of "restrictions," but it seems nobody understands the meaning of that older word any more.
However, a year later, I purchased another from Colt 2nd gen from Simpsons and this time they had to send it to a local FFL which of course meant I had to drive to the FFL's store to fill out the form 4473, go through the background check, plus pay an additional $30 fee to the FFL. It turned out that the law has not changed since my previous purchase, Simpsons had simply originally misinterpreted Illinois law when they sold me the first two percussion revolvers the year before.
My FFL was a bit confused about having to do this on a muzzleloader until I explained that it was due to Illinois law. I don't know if this only applies to muzzleloading handguns or includes long guns also.
Having to go through all those extra steps plus having to pay an extra $30 just to satisfy a state provision that is designed not to control gun crime in any way but explicitly to make it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to purchase a firearm bothers the hell out of me. Illinois, being a fairly blue state, has some of the most Draconian gun laws in the country, yet its big cities tend to have the worst gun crime problems--go figure.
As for me, since the first two percussion revolvers were basically shipped to me illegally by the Illinois dealer, I keep them under extra-heavy security since they are more likely to escape from my safe and go on a heinous crime spree all on their own.
As of now, today, 08 October 2021.
Yet many jurisdictions nowadays include even air guns and BP muzzleloaders in the "firearms" category --or at least the general "things that throw other things and ought to be banned" category. Like even slingshots.
So think again. The so-called "Overton Window" of unacceptable objects and behaviors is constantly moving toward a complete repeal of the Second Amendment. Paranoia? Or "Situational Awarness."
Add shoulder stocks for handguns and shoelaces legally defined as machineguns* to your "Situational Awareness" mental outlook.
It is so easy to marginalize or dismiss a position by calling it paranoia, and good use of this technique is made every day.
*Yeah, ATFABCDEF had to backtrack on a lot of things. But they keep trying to move that Overton Window.
By the time the country in general gets around to banning C&B revolvers, I'll be long dead. Sure, there are some jurisdictions that have gone overboard in banning guns, but they're in the distinct minority.
Besides that, I don't think the trend is inevitably toward more and more bans. In fact, many so-called "liberals" are arming themselves as never before. Gun control is a losing issue for those who espouse it (look at what happened to Beto O'Rourke).
What burns my butt is that my state (Washington) now classifies my M1 Garand as an "assault rifle" only because it is a "semi-automatic". Recently had trouble getting more clips for it and was told they couldn't send to my address because of law restricting capacity. Had to actually send them a copy stating the limit was 10 rounds. Pointed out that the M1 clip only holds 8. I got my clips!
I agree. The whole reason there is a run on blackpowder in the first place is that modern guns have all been bought by some strange new owners who support revolution, until it targets their suburb too. Last year showed that BLM will indiscriminately engage in friendly fire, so it seems that the days of voting badly and escaping the consequences are over. I expect the 2nd amendment is good and safe, even if no one can find a weapon or ammo to actually bear at the moment.
Nothing is required just put them for sale in Blackpowder sales forum here on THR
In Oregon (where I live unfortunately), Gun dealers don’t have to complete a background to sell antique firearms. This exemption, however, doesn’t exist for private party sales of antiques. If I sell a cap and ball revolver to a friend, I’m supposed to go through a gun dealer.
Standard tactics are to put as many major and minor choke points in the way of keeping and bearing arms as possible.
One of the major things, which usually affect firearms use in all States is to declare vast areas as monuments, parks, preserves, primitive areas, et cetera --where firearms use is restricted. (And this goes for individual States doing the same thing on a State level.) This is one that especially bothers me.
Another ploy, to my mind, is declaring sub speces of a game animal as either "endangered" or "a candidate for the endangered species list" so that hunters are confused about what's legal game. That happened with prairie dogs.
Yet another is to limit or restrict activities in a small proportion of gun users, where most gun owners would think, well, that doesn't affect me, so sure, OK, why not? Several things have occurred (nonresident concealed carry licenses in Colorado) or are in the works (age restrictions on firearms use) that Joe Average wouldn't care about that have or would affect me personally, but do you care?
"First they came for the Gypsies, but I was not a Gypsy, so I did nothing...."
Remember that one?
Then they came for the bump fire stocks, but I thought they were ridiculous, so I said nothing.
Be alert to choke points, people.
AlexanderA, Good morning. I have seen this in my neighborhood and also where I work. Professed liberals who have guns and when asked what they would do if they were forced at some point, to give them up, most merely laughed and said in defiance,...good luck taking my guns away!?! It's nice to know that their are liberal minded people who do enjoy their second amendment rights. Just a personal thought. Thank you, Tim
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