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Blackpowder Handgun -- revolver or pistol?

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Tearlachblair, May 17, 2006.

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  1. Tearlachblair

    Tearlachblair Member

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    So here's my quandary:

    In the world of blackpowder handguns, there is one basic choice you gotta make first -- do you want to buy a revolver or a single-shot pistol of the dueling, big-bore variety?

    I had my heart set on revolvers till I saw this
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    Ah! How am I supposed to resist that? 50 caliber?!?!?!

    So I decided to take my question here -- I'm basically a beginner with limited experience in cleaning and disassembling. Which should I get first -- pistol or revolver?
     
  2. mec

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    The pistols are extremely accurate, easier to clean than revolvers and in the case of the lyman, very durable because of coil springs and quality parts. I started out prefering the pistols but found that revolvers have improved in quality and now am hung up on both.
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  3. Smokin_Gun

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    The first one I got was one a them, but...it was for my personna as a Mountain Man as that's what I was doin' at the time. Loved the Pistol but shot the Long gun more.
    If you like shootin' period or have a love for the Old West and Civil War...I'd tell you like I would anyone else. Get an 1858 New Army Remington .44 for a first BP handgun, you won't be sorry. Then you'll probly want an 1860 Army Colt .44, and or an Colt 1851 Navy .36. The list of wishes can be endless...you can always buy a single shot muzzle stuffer later.
    I have 3 differant Mfg. of them and like um all alot. I'm a 1858 Rem man who has more Colts than rems...Lol! Cause they are so dependable you only really need one...HeHe!
    Please keep us posted on what you get and welcome to the BP Rev Club.
    SG
     
  4. kjeff50cal

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    Now you tell me:D .
     

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  5. gmatov

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    OT, a little, but we now call a semi a pistol and a wheel gun a revolver.

    Sam'l Colt patented his Paterson as a "Revolving Pistol". All the following models were called "pistols".

    So, if you want to buy a pistol, I would say a Colt '51, for the .36 calibre, or a '60, for the .44 calibre, then the Rem 58 in .44, and follow with a Rem 58 in .36.

    Not that the Colt is better, though I like them, just that breaking them down to clean and put back together is a little easier. And, of course, they just feel better, to my hand. And, they sure do look better. And they will, normally shoot more cylinders full before the cylinder binds up, though this can be overcome with a spray or squirt bottle of Windex or the like.

    OT even a little more. Has anybody noticed that the auction prices of ALL the replicas is actually usually higher than the buy it new price, when you consider the 20 buck average shipping and handling??

    Was looking for a 60 steel model, AA the prices are ridiculous, with near a week to go, Gunbroker no better.

    Guess I gotta go to WVA next week, pick up a new one. Have a bite to eat on the way, make a day trip, seems like an outing rather than 3 gals of gas each way. Mebbe even have time to look the store over, last time there, was just to exchange a marred pistol. Bought caps, but did not spend time in the store. Would like to do that for a change.

    Smoke,

    Your ASP 44, was that the good one? Don't wanna go back a year to look up your comments on it. Did see one on a site, don't know if it is good enough for the price it is going at. Everybody always says they are at least 98 %, till you get them.

    Cheers,

    George
     
  6. Smokin_Gun

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    Yup George my Asp (Now Name changed to Euroarms) I would say a real good one... most authentic in size and closer chamber/barrel dimensions. I got 3 Rem 1858's Uberti, Pietta, and ASP I like um all but the ASP is a little more authenic and a good shooter(frame size). You'd fare well with one.
     
  7. Dr.Doug

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    Get both! They're cheap!

    Doug
     
  8. huli

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    Ive got a Euroarms 44, Excellent Condition, doesnt look to have been fired, I think its the 58 200.00 shipped to your door in all legal states.;)
     
  9. Duncaninfrance

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    Revolver or Pistol

    Depends how much noise and smoke you want to make :evil:
    I have started with a Pietta 58 Remington New Model Army and love it. It shoots well, is easy to clean and I don't find it difficult to strip.
    The real choice is which one first as you will be as hooked as the rest of us soon :)
    Duncan
     
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    Traditions Buckhunter, I have a scope on mine and it will make a raged hole at 50 yards.
     
  11. MCgunner

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    Everyone should treat themselves to a Ruger Old Army. All else comes later. Save up for that first purchase, unless you find one sitting in a gun shop in excellent condition for $97.50 because the guy wants out of black powder stuff, like I did....:D I swear, I couldn't open my wallet fast enough!
     
  12. The Sicilian

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    Go for the 58' Remington, it's an excellent gun and I think it's beautiful! I bought and 1860 and I find the Remmy easier to load and less likely to jam, but I'm new compared to a lot of the people on this forum so I'm not your best bet for getting wisdom and knowledge concerning these guns.

    I've already had a few problems with my 1860. After a few shots the clip that holds the loading lever popped off! Can you believe that? It really pissed me off. I banged it back on and it came off again after the first shot! I guess I'll have to call up the manufacturer and see what can be done about it. I'm almost tempted to ask for another 1858 as a replacement!

    The 1860 was made by Pietta, maybe that accounts for the clip popping off, who knows? It really shouldn't have happened, at least in my opinion. When you buy a brand new firearm you expect it to perform well and stay in one piece when you fire it! This is the only Pietta I own and at this point it may be the last. I'm sure a few people here would probably disagree and they could be right. I might have just been unlucky and gotten a lemon, it can happen to anyone, even Uberti I suppose.

    -mario.
     
  13. gmatov

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    Not to run down your preference, but I was looking at a few at auction. Everybody has their own taste in everything, but I just find them downright ugly.

    I know they're the hardest shooting, strongest BPs made, but they just don't appeal to me.

    It's not a Ruger thing. I own a Super B 44 SS, 10 1/2 inch and think it is lovely, but that is a near perfect copy of a Colt 73, with many improvements.

    And money is not it either. 400 is not that much money. Twice a 200 buck pietta, but still not even a mortgage payment for most folks.

    Will admit that the loading lever and other parts will probably last 10 times as long as any Italian imports parts do, and springs probably longer.

    Just not for me. And I don't want to sound magnanimous and say buy what ever you like, because it's not my place to tell you what you should like. I like what I like, I'm sure you are happy with what you like and have.

    Cheers,

    George
     
  14. gmatov

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    Mario,

    Do you mean the latch post that is dovetailed into the barrel or the latch itself, the spring loaded end catch? That dovetail should be tighter than the sight on your Rem. It's not made to be adjusted, your sight is.

    Either way, if you bought this thing new, take or send it back. If you picked it up at a local Cabela's, take it back, and ask to inspect the one they give you in exchange. I took one back to a local (yeah, local, 56 miles each way) store, asked if I could inspect it, they said go right ahead. They do want to keep you happy. I don't know anybody better at trying to keep the customer happy, so he'll return.

    The Rem, now, the latch post is welded, or soldered, into a pocket in the barrel. That can come off rather easily.

    Cheers,

    George
     
  15. The Sicilian

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    George, no, not the spring loaded part on the tip of the lever, but the part that is doved(On the underside of the barrel) tailed and catches the spring loaded lever tip. The 1860's clip (the dovetailed piece) popped right off! I couldn't believe it! I bought it at a Bass Pro so I'm not sure they'll take it back or not. What do you think I should do? My Remmy has been rock solid, except for the front sight being off (I really need to move it so it shoots strait) a little bit.

    -mario.
     
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    Not exactly unanimous...

    The "we" above is a bit broad. Let's take that a smidgen further. If it's not a revolver, it can be classified as a pistol. Or even, a revolver is a subset of the pistol category. Case in point, I have a centerfire Wichita Silhouette Pistol, straight from the manufacturers. It's neither a revolver nor autoloader. ;)

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  17. gmatov

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    Gewehr,

    Not to belabor the point, but the man did put it in his patent application, and it wa so called so for about 70 years, from 1836 on. THEN, the semis came into being, and the hoi poloi, the semi snobs decided THEY were pistols, them OLD things were relegated to being revolvers.

    Technically, the revolving pistol is just that, a pistol, your machine is a semi-automatic pistol. Your own is a single shot pistol, a one hand held firearm. All one hand fired weapons are pistols.

    So where's the beef?

    Cheers,

    George
     
  18. The Sicilian

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    Interesting,

    I was always curious whether or not "pistol" was proper or not when speaking of these old guns. I prefer to say revolver, which I imagine is exceptable. I always considered the modern automatics just handguns, nothing more, nothing less. I always reserved using Pistol or Revolver for firearms with a special character or beauty that most modern handguns just don't possess (In my opinion). There are a few exceptions like the Luger and the 1911, which really began the transition from revolvers to automatics. I'm not saying you can't find a modern "pistol" with that intrinsic beauty which the Colts and Remingtons possess, only that they seem to be few and far between.

    -mario.
     
  19. The Sicilian

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    Does anyone know the etymology of the word "Pistol"?:confused:

    -mario.
     
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    pistol
    noun a small firearm designed to be held in one hand.

    ORIGIN
    C16: from obsolete French pistole, from German Pistole, from Czech pist'ala, originally in sense 'whistle', hence 'a firearm' by the resemblance in shape.


    From the Concise Oxford English Dictionary.
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  21. Smokin_Gun

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    Would you say the Auto Pistol resembles the Revolver in shape? Then you must define resembles, and shape, then one's opinion...cause only in my opinion an auto loader and a Revolver don't resemble each other in shape.
    Guess if we call um Auto Pistols and Revolving Pistols we'll be in good "shape".


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  22. The Sicilian

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    Thanks Duncan, I knew you old guys were good for something :neener: I think the etymology classifies both auto's and revolvers as pistols, also single shots. The shape is pretty simple so I don't think we need to go too far in debating shape. What would you call a semi-auto if not a pistol? I figure "handgun" might be the only decent word to use if you don't want to call it a pistol.

    -mario.
     
  23. mec

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    Thirty to forty years ago it was a big debate in the gun magazines. they would tell you emphatically that "Pistol" comes from the town in Italy-Pistoia where the first one was made. More recently other things have come up like any side arm-including poniardds and bodkins was called a pistol way back in the past. The gunwriters emphasized that Pistols have to have a contiguous chamber and barrel . Revolvers don't have that so anybody who calls them a "pistol" is a ass, a idiot. As it turns out, the gunwriters were "a ass, a idiot" because colt had called his early efforts "Revolving Pistols."
     
  24. The Sicilian

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    It takes all sort to make the world go round mec. By the way, nice shooting with that "Pistol", especially at 50 yards...impressive! Some of those gun writers are *******s (Not you, of course :D ) I read the article about your book on Gunblast.com, seems like you and you're buddy wrote a keeper and a classic on Black powder firearms. Sheesh! I hope I'm allowed to call them "Firearms", even if the Federalies don't think so. I'll get around to buying a copy at some point.

    -mario.
     
  25. mec

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    That is not my worst 50 yard group. In fact, its about as good as I expect shooting sitting down with the gun rested over my knees.
     
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