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Blazer ammo ruined my Anaconda, what would you do?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Escobarclan, May 14, 2012.

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  1. Escobarclan

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    Hello everyone. Has anyone here been able to get an ammo company to repair or replace your gun? CCI's Blazer ammo did this to my Colt Anaconda: 2012-05-13_00-59-17_802.jpg

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  2. WardenWolf

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    Ouch. I'm sorry to hear that. It's probably repairable, judging by what little I can see, but obviously it will never be new again.
     
  3. drsfmd

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    1) Prove that it wasn't a defect in materials that the gun was manufactured with.

    2) Prove that it wasn't there before you used Blazer ammo.

    3) Prove that it was caused by Blazer ammo.

    If you can't unquestionably prove all three points (and you can't), there's simply no way you'll ever get a response from Blazer.

    Now, that said, my suggestion to you would be to buy quality ammo with brass cases in the future.
     
  4. BCCL

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    Talk to them and show them your pictures, Remington replaced a Ruger Redhawk .44 for someone I know after some of their 240gr. jhp's damaged his barrel. (bad load left a bullet in the barrel, next shot sent a bullet into that one and goose egged his barrel in the middle)
     
  5. RickMD

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    I think you'd have an uphill battle proving that the Blazer ammunition caused the damage.
     
  6. Slamfire

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    I would find customer service at Blazer and send the pictures. It sure looks to me as though that case head rupture did something.

    If Blazer does not agree, then the costs of litigation would probably exceed the value of the pistol, but you are talking about an out of production Anaconda, and those are not cheap.

    If Blazer does not agree to fix the pistol, then you will have to determine if the cylinder is ruined or not.

    Obviously I cannot tell if you have burn through the cylinder. From the pictures it looks like melted aluminum. Maybe a reamer could cut out the melted aluminum. As long as the cylinder is not cracked, stretched, ruptured, than the cylinder should be structurally OK.

    I had heard that aluminum cases were subject to burn through, don't know if your unfortunate accident is due to a flaw in the material, or is due to the material.
     
  7. CharlieDeltaJuliet

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    I would have Colt or a very well know gunsmith verify the damage and write a letter saying what they believe damaged the weapon. Then turn that over to CCI. My father had a Python explode in his hands. The winchester ammo was the culprate. He sent the pieces to Colt, they contacted Winchester ( mind you this was in the late 70's early 80's) and Colt sent him a brand new 2.5" snub nose Python in Royal Blue, which I thought was out of production but I might be wrong. It even had his original serial number stamped but had a prefix or sufix added. I know Winchester did not want to replace it but he was lucky enough to have Colt test the same box of ammo( he sent in with the pieces of the Python) and they deemed it unsafe to use.
     
  8. Seamore2001

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    You received some good advice over the weekend on the Colt Forum. Send a well written certified letter and the same by regular mail, to CCI legal department, stating what happened and what remedy you expect from them. Let them know, in a professional manner, the circumstances and that you have documentary proof (photos and video of the event and damage). Hold onto the remaining ammo and box - they'll probably want that. You were also told that another person had something similar happen with CCI ammo and that they ended up replacing the firearm.

    Give them a chance to make it right, starting this morning.
     
  9. DPris

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    Glock has quietly replaced pistols over the years that blew, and in some cases NOT with defective ammunition.
    Other companies have their own policies.

    You'd be farther ahead by contacting Speer than by nosing this around on various Internet gun forums in the court of public opinion. :)
    Did you contact them yet, as you were saying you planned to do this morning?

    You were angry on the Colt Forum, but you had not given Speer a chance to respond.
    Denis
     
  10. SunnySlopes

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    From the Colt forum thread:

     
  11. Loosedhorse

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    So, you used standard pressure factory ammo

    In a Colt gun, and now it is damaged...any you're going to go after the ammo company.

    Either Colt customer service must really have an awful reputation, or I'm detecting some love for Colt...and love is blind.

    ;):D
    So Colt gets to determine if it pays for repair or Speer does? Seems pretty generous of Speer.
     
  12. drsfmd

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    I'm highly skeptical that Colt or CCI could actually back that up. You could have been shooting ANY ammo... there's just no way to PROVE that it was CCI/Blazer ammo that caused this damage, and therefore, you'll end up getting the runaround from them.

    Colt... well, the gun is at least 13 years old, and the damage could have happened long ago. They might be willing to help you out with it, but they certainly don't owe you anything.
     
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    CCI makes top notch ammo, I am glad that their CS seems to be up to the same quality. Keep us updated.
     
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    That cylinder and the spent casing would seem to indicate exactly where the problem started (with the ammo). The burn marks line up from the cartridge to the cylinder wall. I stopped shooting Blaser aluminum for a very similar reason (cracked case, no damage). I didn't realize it could get this bad though!

    To answer the OP, I would definitely be writing CCI!
     
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    CCI is most likely aware they had a bad batch of ammo and have had several similar claims. They are a very large company and they sell lots of ammo and wish to continue to do so. It is much cheaper and better business for them in the long run to pay to repair a firearm than to deny the claim. The legal fees, should you decide even to take them to small claims court in your state, would far exceed the cost of repairing the gun.
    Folks posting that you are out of luck, know nothing about manufacturers liability or the cost of legal fees and bad press.

    Let us know how it all turns out, and good luck.
     
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    Maybe I just haven't had enough coffee but by what mystical forces exactly does a split case erode the chamber like that??? Are CCI Blazers powered by anti-matter now?
     
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    I don't think the chamber is corroded but rather has some aluminum plated to it from the case. I can't tell if the star is damaged or just dark from soot. Colt should be able to fix the issue.
     
  18. Gordon

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    Looks to me like CCI will step up to the plate if you dot the i s properly as to be expected.
     
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    I agree it is very likely aluminum stuck to the chamber.
    You can see it bridging the gap between the chamber and extractor star in the photo.

    I simply can't imagine a failed case gas cutting a steel cylinder like that in one shot at handgun pressures.

    rc
     
  20. Jim Watson

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    I have a 9mm chamber scored nearly that bad by a burnthrough Blazer. The burn pattern on the aluminum case is similar, although smaller because of the smaller powder charge.
    I can't blame CCI because I was shooting ammo that had been exposed to fumes and water/steam in the fire after The Incident. Trying to get some good out of stuff that only LOOKED normal. I put up with misfires and even ordinary split cases, but this one blowtorched the case and the gun. No more, I am gradually pulling it down to salvage the bullets.
     
  21. Loosedhorse

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    To me, it looks like some metal is missing from one of the charge holes.

    Are you are saying it came from flame-cutting, from one round of Blazer ammo with a weak web? Could be.

    Or the defect in the charge hole was already there, then since the case was unsupported, one of the cases might have finally let go (and maybe made the defect a bit worse).

    I'm not sure which; Jim Watson seems to agree with you.
     
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  22. Gordon

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    I think at 30 K pressures and above aluminum has a pyrophoric effect (believe that is the term) where it enhances the flame cutting of steel. What you get is a plasma of aluminum that reacts somewhat to the iron in the steel and you get 'gas cutting' to an extent. Anyway no doubt CCI will step up if properly documented.
     
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    ...and this, folks, is why my Anaconda is a safe queen! :uhoh:
     
  24. Grmlin

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    Well I guess I'll be watching my cylinders if I use the CCI I have. I have some .357 rat/snake shot and some 45 Colt. I don't think I've even had a split case so far. I'll be a little more alert to the possibilities, but this is a possibility with any ammo. Good luck with getting you revolver repaired.
     
  25. Orion8472

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    So, . . . . is the bottom line here. . . .don't used aluminum cased ammo in revolvers? What about in pistols?
     
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