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Bloomberg crowd attacking Wyoming

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by JohnM, Mar 18, 2013.

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  1. JohnM

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  2. CoRoMo

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    Larry said it.

    I know Bloomberg will have a tougher fight in Wyoming than in Colorado, but it's no surprise that he's headed there.
    Or... they can do nothing of the sort and Ms. Nicholas and Maybor Bloomberg can keep their noses out of the state of Wyoming.
    Case closed. Move along. Nothing to see here.
     
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  3. PabloJ

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    They do have a point. People with mental problems should not have access to firearms.
     
  4. X-Rap

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    Take the bigger cities, the Jackson Hole/Yellowstone area and a lot of Union Miners and Wyoming isn't as bullet proof as it may seem. If there would be as low a turnout as some places in Colorado had I think many so called western gun states could be in a world of hurt.
     
  5. blueskyjaunte

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    PabloJ, who gets to define the "mental problems" that disqualify gun ownership?
     
  6. CoRoMo

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    I suggest the people of Wyoming decide what's best for the people of Wyoming.
     
  7. ASCTLC

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    Don't be so quick to believe the media's version of support X-rap, they're railroading us and you're buying in to what they're selling as I suspect way too many are. Read below the accounts of just two of our great sheriffs.

    Andy

    From our Larimer County, Co Sheriff Smith communicating what he experienced back on March 4th. You can google this and find it on his face book page.

    It’s after 11 p.m. and I’ve finally gotten back home. Let me share some reflections from the marathon session at the state capital today.

    First, I have to say how proud I am of all the citizens, many from my county, who showed up to be heard today. If you weren’t there, but read the news accounts, you were a victim of unbelievable deception. The media accounts paint a picture of essentially equal... numbers of supporters for both sides. I was there- that was not the case. I’d estimate the opponents to be at least 6-8 times the number of supporters. Don’t be fooled!

    I have never been more proud to be a Colorado Sheriff than I was today. Despite tremendous geographic and budgetary challenges, we had 25-30 Sheriffs or their representatives at the capital today. We were given very few opportunities to testify, but every time we did, 20-25 Sheriffs stood together in support. To the irritation of bill sponsors and the majority party, we received several rounds of applause throughout the day. We were truly honored to represent the constituents of our counties. Only one newscast mentioned our presence today, but then they quickly “balanced” it with a mention that the police chiefs supported the bills. (I counted 1 appointed police chief and the appointed director of CBI at the capital throughout the whole day)

    In the end, the majority party chose time and time again to ignore our advice and input, just as they did everyone who spoke in opposition to these bad and dangerous bills.

    Rest assured, your County Sheriffs are NOT giving up the fight to protect their citizens and the rights of those citizens. We understand our duty and we take our oaths seriously!

    Good night
    Sheriff Smith


    And from our El Paso County, Colorado Sheriff Terry Maketa. You can google "Sheriff Maketa: "An Injustice Against Our Citizens""
    The El Paso County Sheriff's Office released the following statement given by Sheriff Maketa about his testimony at the Colorado State Capitol on Monday, March 4.

    "Monday, March 4, 2013, was unlike any day I’ve experienced in my 12 years testifying at the Colorado State Capitol. During my tenure, I’ve had numerous opportunities to participate in legislative processes from draft proposal to signature of a bill making it law.

    I’ve witnessed many hearings and observed citizens, law enforcement, and special interest groups share opinions on a variety of proposed laws. I’ve witnessed very controversial bills set in a process to allow full access from supporters, opponents, and citizens to be heard by their legislators. On numerous occasions, bills similar in nature were set for hearing on different days to ensure opportunity for anyone to participate in the deliberative process. On Monday, this didn’t occur. Instead, gun bills were simultaneously scheduled and of 25 plus sheriffs, only one could testify per bill. Hearings were split so bills heard simultaneously were on different floors, even though all were heard by senate committees. Rules for testimony changed three times from Thursday afternoon through Monday at 10:30 am, when hearings began.

    Historically, any citizen would be allowed to speak if they arrived at the Capitol early and signed up on testimony records. Although sign up sheets were in place and citizens including myself signed up, we were completely disregarded. Minutes after I signed up to testify, I learned a different process would be utilized and testimony was based on three categories: experts, preferred witnesses, and public witnesses. No explanation was provided to define expert or preferred witness. I was told this decision was made by the senate president and the chairperson of the hearing committee. Additionally, experts would have no time constraints and all others would be restricted to three minutes. I was completely disheartened at what I was witnessing and this was exacerbated when I learned experts included an individual that was not a resident of Colorado who had no credentials to qualify as an expert except his spouse was a victim of the Tuscan Arizona shooting. He admitted he had not read the proposed bill and could not speak to any specifics regarding this bill. He encouraged Colorado to adopt universal background checks and close the gun show loophole, both of which already exist. Sadly, he testified with unlimited restriction as voters and taxpayers of this state sat helplessly as they were denied the right to testify during committee hearings.

    My colleague, Sheriff John Cooke, testified in opposition of the “Universal Background Check” bill on behalf of most sheriffs while staying within the three minute constraint. Fortunately, I was allowed to testify because a member of the legislature listed me as an expert witness. I was honored and brought statistics and facts as it related to the national insta-check system (NICS); the probable criminalization of law abiding citizens and the unenforceability of this particular bill. I offered other options knowing we all share the common goal of reducing violence. I was proud to represent my constituents and the majority of our sheriffs. That pride was quickly diminished as I departed the hearing room and witnessed hundreds of citizens who would not be given the opportunity to testify. Although they expressed their sincere appreciation for my comments, I recognized the injustice that was unfolding before my eyes. Citizens of Colorado were prevented from participating in the legislative process. Their rights had been overridden by the agenda of a few members of the State Senate.

    As I made my way out of the Capitol, I was shocked at the number of people who attended these hearings. It’s estimated the number of people in attendance reached 1,000. I spoke to several and was told they just wanted their voice to be heard. Many of them had never been to the Capitol, let alone testified on any bill. Some brought their children as a lesson in civics and sacrificed a day at work to participate in the law making process. Unfortunately, what they hoped for never happened.

    Due to a prior commitment, I could not stay for the remaining bills. Later, I phoned a member of our legislature and expressed concern for what I had witnessed; changing of rules, time limits, new classification of speakers to establish priority and most of all the number of citizens who made the journey to the Capitol in hopes of being heard. I was told the rules did change several times and that this was very unusual. These changes were driven by the majority leadership, Senator John Morse, and the chairperson of the involved hearing committee.

    I am not sharing this because of the outcome of the hearings that day; rather I am sharing this because of the process implemented and the faces of all those citizens that were never permitted to participate in the process. Government is supposed to be by the people, for the people and on this day, they were crushed and kicked to the side. Special interest coalitions and hand picked experts with no relevant expertise trumped our citizens.
     
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    Bloomy should stay there in NYC and poleece them big sody cup bandits and leave us alone.

    We've been doing just fine without his babysittin' ways.

    I hope the citizens of CO stand up come election time and take their State back from the influx of people from the two coasts. Wyoming is undergoing the same type of invasion and it will no doubt get worse as things progress.

    Here's hoping that CO and WY can serve as a anchor for keeping this country free..
     
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  9. X-Rap

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    I have watched the transformation over the last 30-40 yrs that I have paid attention. The population centers, labor, academia all have played a part in the coloring of our nation and no state is immune to it. No matter how much we rural minded folks would like to think that we are safe in our red colored districts it is as in the case of all bad laws that I have seen passed in my home state of Colorado these same culprits who have brought on the destruction of my liberties.
    I am not giving up but I am neither nieve in my belief that there is a tide rising in even the most free and rural states that must be recognized before it can be defeted.
     
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    Bingo! This is the real issue and sticking point!
     
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    Aw,c`mon guys,stop beatin up on Bloomindjit!. He`s just a poor, mis-guided soul spendin his loot the best he can. All we need to do is get him to re-direct his energies to a more appropriate venue.Several come to mind : Mars,Hades, Hell :evil: or maybe Bezerkistan :cuss:
     
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    Bloomberg is starting more and more to remind me of Hitler.
     
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    WOW

    Just a comment about the article:

    WOW.

    Sorry, but being court ordered to attend outpatient mental health therapy does not disqualify you for buying a gun. Being court ordered to outpatient mental health treatment does not by itself mean you are "mentally defective" and it does not mean you have been "committed to a mental institution."

    I am not trying to defend the criminal who did the VT shooting, I am just pointing out this is contrary to the ATF definition and requirement on the 4473.

    Where they are getting this is beyond me.
     
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    Bloomberg should focus on the NYC schools, 80% of HS grads there are unable to read or do simple math. Oh wait, if he does that nobody will vote for him.
     
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    You have been warned! What happened in New York State can happen anywhere! Be vigilant always!

    Do not take your rights for granted.
     
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    Bloomberg is the one with mental problems as it is self-evident that he has a Messiah complex. He is just putting the leftist plan into play on a national scale that was used to corrupt Colorado. All it took was 4 billionaire trustifarians to buy off the simple minded and lazy citizens in Colorado. Hopefully they will need to apply for a refund in 2014 now that the dupes have been shown the true nature of leftism.
     
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    First you occupy friendly territories; the Rhineland, Sarr and Austria [New York].

    When you succeed with no real cost, you then start looking farther, say Sarr [Connecticut].

    Then you get bolder, and look at a 'neutral' Memel [Colorado]

    As you learn you can storm over the rights of free societies, you now set your sight on actual military conquests, Czechoslovakia [Wyoming].

    Which state will be Poland?

    And who will eventually stand up, USA [ Texas etc ].

    History repeats. It always does.
     
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    Cho was involuntarily committed for mental health treatment under a Temporary Detention Order issued by a magistrate, and involuntarily transported to an inpatient facility by police after that determination. A subsequent hearing by a special justice appointed by the Circuit Court found that he should be subject to involuntary outpatient care, rather than involuntary inpatient care. This decision probably reflects general policies relating to scarcity of beds for inpatient care, rather than an objective assessment of Cho's state of mind (given the amount of consideration and testimony involved in the hearing).

    So, in this case, you have two separate court officials both finding that Cho needed to be compelled by the court to receive mental health treatment. I'd personally take this as two incidents where he was adjudicated mentally defective and no longer eligible on a 4473, not as proof that he should not have been a prohibited person anyway.
     
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    Just some statistics....

    That awkward moment when you realize Wyoming only had 11 gun related homicides in 2011 versus New York's 445 despite the enormous discrepancies in gun laws.
     
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    Bloomberg and his liberals need to stay the heck in nyc and leave the rest of us alone!
     
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    To make that happen, we need something to put Bloomberg on the defensive. The ballot initiatives and recall efforts in Colorado are excellent in that respect, especially if Coloradans can figuratively decapitate politicians that Bloomberg has pumped money into. Something more needs to be done, however, given the enormous resources that twit brings to the fight.
     
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    I hate to say it because I understand the Sherriffs' sentiment, but I see their absolute INaction in enforcing those citizens' Civil Right to be heard to be an Epic failure as the highest law enforcement officer for the people in their jurisdiction. And they allowed it to happen despite knowing it was wrong. Same as we here in NY blame Dean Skelos for allllowwwing it to happen to us. And I expect he is serving his last elected term because of it.

    We're losing this battle people. I read an article earlier today that included a quote from Tom Gresham from Gun Talk about his interaction with the Wounded Warrior Project (the purpose of which, btw I WHOLEHEARTEDLY support) but what he said rang true~

    There is a major push to demonize and marginalize gun owners, gun makers, and the shooting sports. It is in this light that I see the WWP policy of prohibiting gun and knife makers from using the WWP logo. What are they telling the world? 
Take the longer view. Ebay blocked firearms from being listed. Paypal blocks the use of its service for buying guns. Google blocks guns, dealers, and makers from searches in its shopping service. We have reports of banks closing the accounts of gun makers simply on the basis that they won’t do business with the firearms industry. Each of these is a very public way of saying, “We don’t do business with ‘those people.’” Each is a way of saying that reasonable and responsible people should have nothing to do with the firearms business. We are being put into the same box as pornography. . . .


    We need to nip this demonization in the bud~ and pronto.
     
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    Define mental problem. Is it wanting to beat your wife? Is it wanting to go to church? Is it wanting to set fire to your dog? Is it wanting to own a gun? Is it wanting to shoot up the school? Or, wanting to school your kids at home?

    Because if you let THEM write the definition of what a mental problem is that should bar you from owning guns let me tell you they will define it anyway they want and we will all be in the loony bin.
     
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    Thanks Horsesoldier, I was not aware of all that. I definitely take back what I said then.
     
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