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Blowback Operated Minigun

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Braith-Wafer, Sep 8, 2007.

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  1. Braith-Wafer

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    Its from another website but i thought it may be useful being self powered like the Russian GShG-7.62. Didnt the US have a similar concept but turned it down?.

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  2. Zoogster

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    The problem with things like that is that you are depending on the ammunition to work flawlessly while you burn through thousands of rounds very rapidly. A single bad round brings it all to an end. So the more effective way is to design it so the entire operation is electrical or otherwise independent of the ammunition to function.

    So a blowback design is bad for such a weapon.
     
  3. Roadwild17

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    If it could be made to be portable it could fill the role of a hevy mg.
     
  4. Wes Janson

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    The other catch is that a blowback design really limits the options as to what you can chamber it in.
     
  5. Jim K

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    If you are going to use a system with the chamber separate from the barrel, like a revolver, the best way is to use two contra-rotating cylinders and not take the round out of the belt at all.

    But any system like that has a lot of drawbacks with high pressure ammunition. The same problems that are present with an ordinary revolver are still there, in spades!

    Jim
     
  6. Cutaway

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    No it's not you schizophrenic nutter, it's the same tired buffoonery which you yourself 'invented' on your pc.
    You've been peddling this claptrap on untold military sites for the last couple of years under your various guises.
    In every case you've bee told exactly why the concept is utter pants.

    13 Oct 2005 abovetopsecret.com
    As Browno: "I heard there is a minigun that is self powered."

    17 Aug 2006
    Sino Defence Forum
    As Canashea: "Found this while browzing through the net, Does anyone out there know about it? Is it under development?"

    13 Aug 2006 defencetalk.com
    Also as Canashea: "Or 'Blowback Revolver Minigun' shall i say?"

    14 Aug 2006 irandefence.net
    As Canashea again: "Found dis while browzin through da net, Does anyone out there know about it?"

    08 May 2006 warrifles.com
    Canashea once again: "Does anyone know about dis?, Found it while browzin through sites."

    07-02-2006 militaryphotos.net
    As Jabroni this time: "Found these while on the Internet, Could it be based on a real firearm?"

    08-04-2006 gunandgame.com
    Also as Jabroni: "Found dis while browzin through the net, Does anyone know about it?"

    09 Sep 2006 3drealms.com
    As Trambuan this time: "The Ripper Chaingun Cannon should be a real life weapon, It would be a substitute for a Hand Held Minigun"

    13 May 2006 uzitalk.com
    As Jabroni again: "I found dis on a site i was browzin through, Does anyone have an idea about it?"

    08-04-2006
    impactguns.com
    Canashea again: "Does anyone know about dis?, Found it while browzin through sites"

    Ad infinitum...



    For the umpteenth time of asking nicely, please stop treating everyone as if they had single figure IQ and desist in cluttering up the net with your adolescent fantasies.

    All the above fora could be used for serious research if it wasn't for bufoons such as yourself who seem to have little better to do than licking the windows of the Sunshine Bus and posting drivel.

    You know where to contact me if you ever desire a serious discssion about wpn design.

    My apologies to everyone else for this young lad, I'm sure he could stop posting twaddle if he so desired.
     
  7. bogie

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    Maybe someone oughta send the Crotch-Eatin' Attack K-9 Poodles o' Doom after him...

    As for weapon design...

    I'd like to see a .22LR minigun...

    1) Manageable recoil, even compared to the .223.

    2) Easily airlifted/palletized for forward use.

    3) In the space it takes to store 300 rounds of M16, you can have 2500 rounds of .22LR.

    4) Buzzing wasp noises in the air keeps Abduhl's head down regardless of the size/speed...

    5) Should be effective against personnel out to 300 yards.

    6) Imagine a Blackhawk with 4-6 of the things doing a full speed run over a hot area...

    7) Build cans into the barrels, so that you can run the thing at night for perimeter defense without giving its position away.
     
  8. hopkin

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    I've seen photos of a handheld minigun type thingy in The Gun Digest Book of Assault Weapons. It looked like a baby gatling gun with 20 feet of ammo chain wrapped around the user.

    Maybe it was 9mm, not 22LR though. And maybe it wasn't that much like a minigun now I think about it. I'll have a look when I get home.
     
  9. TexasRifleman

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    Heck of a first post Cutaway :)
     
  10. NCLivingBrit

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    Acknowledging the fact that this idea has been peddled to death, but isn't the point of the minigun to remove the problems blowback and recoil operation bring to the table if the ammo is bad?

    After all, why construct an intricate multi-barrel loading and firing mechanism that doesn't care if anything went bang to keep going and then take all the drawbacks (weight of barrels, intricacy, bulk) and then ADD all the problems of bad ammo back in.

    Madness.
     
  11. jerkface11

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    A recoil operated .22lr minigun? That's just asking for a jam. No telling what it would take to clear it either.
     
  12. SDC

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    Another problem with this "blowback minigun" scenario is that you'd be depending solely on the recoil energy of the cartridge (in a bottlenecked cartridge, no less) to drive the barrel cluster, drive the feed mechanism, pull a presumably LONG chain of linked ammo, and still drive the bolt, cock the hammer, etc.
     
  13. bogie

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    No. I'm not proposing a recoil-operated one... I like battery (or 110/120! - heck, you can make it light enough you could do either!).

    Say you're in a "forward observation base" and things have been getting a little hot at night lately... Probes at the perimeter, and you're pretty sure that sooner or later, Abduhl is gonna try to sneak in with a nice fat vest o' virgins on... One supply run can bring in four of the things (at 250 pounds each), and plenty of ammo... Keep a lookout with night vision, and if you see something, just hose it down.

    Let's figure one can run at 6,000 rounds/minute. Four could do 24,000 rounds. With 'em mounted in a Blackhawk's doors, you could lay down some serious fire...
     
  14. jerkface11

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    Might as well make them .17 HMR then.
     
  15. woodybrighton

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    or you could just have a sentry with a rifle who's awake and can tell the difference between people moving about and a potential threat.
    one round one dead terrorist no need to hose anything down.
    total cost not very much :neener:
     
  16. bogie

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    The mini-minigun would be a lot more fun...
     
  17. Kharn

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    Go work on the Ripper Chain Gun a little more, Duke Nukem Forever needs a technical advisor. :rolleyes:

    Kharn
     
  18. ROMAK IV

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    There was a 22lr subgun, many years ago, and they actually built a prototype, but I guess it didn't catch on, because I haven't seen one since. FWIR, it had at least two barrels and the bolt on each pivotted to aid in loading and extraction of both, with a fixed firing pin on the bolt of each. So the magazine fed two chambers, and the gun had a tremendous rate of fire. It seems the pivot could reduce the weight of the bolt, and since there are two chambers, the rate is doubled without a resulting problems with too rapid a cycling.
     
  19. GunTech

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    On of the minigun's primary advantages is external power. A blowback design negates that.
     
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    Anyone else see that drawing and think "Zig Zag Mauser?"
     
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    can we get a round of applause for "cutaway" truly internet excellency
     
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    Actually, I thought Webley Fosberry, but I've always had a thing for Webleys.

    Indeed. Nice to see someone willing to do the research to nip the troll stupidity in the bud. And that level of commitment to what appears to be a horrible idea is either the mark of a nutter or a genius. Only history (or common sense) will tell which it is.

    Weimadog, being an old user of the internet (newsgroups ftw!) I remember the time before the madness, before every 12yr old came online...... Sad and long departed.
     
  25. wheelgunslinger

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    Ah yes. The days of BBS and newsgroups, of pron directories and dos commands. A time when people acted as if they were interacting with other humans, and knowing code didn't require a spastic use of the shift key when typing messages. Knowing your way around was just basic knowledge and didn't require a title (haxd), and malware was a shameful thing perpetrated by tools who were, presumeably, grown into their sofas and angry...

    Welcome to Cutaway, unless he's a schizophrenic outgrowth of the OP. :uhoh:
     
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