Bolt Down your safe!

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Unfortunately, not all of us either have the space or the funds for 800-1000 lb. safes. So, for the rest of us, a healthy dose of insurance will have to do for now.

Besides, Im of the mind that if one wants something bad enough (and they have the necessary experience/know-how), well...consider it gone.

Nothing wrong with making it more difficult though, I will admit.
 
I have an alarm with cell back up my safe is not bolted down and only has one handgun and 200 rounds just used to keep kids out.. Id rather have them take the safe and run than come home when they just got it open and use my gun on me.. Now my safe with c cards documents bonds any thing of value yes its bolted down. and has a 24 hour alarm contact i have to call alarm co and let them know I'm going in to it and there is not much value in it anymore sold allot of jewelery.
 
DBR:

Seriously - thank you! I was totally unaware of the "burglar bomb" and its brethren. This is the perfect solution for my place when the dog will be absent!
 
Always have a BIG, conspicuous Safe which has lots of (pretend) 'IOU's and shoe boxes of junk generic receipts, some Costume Jewelery, and, maybe, an H&R .22 with timing-problems and no ammo, and overall nothing of any significant value...and, hide the 'goodies' elsewhere...
 
harmonic said:
Maybe you're not doing it right.
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No, it just isn't moving. I didn't mention that I bulit the room that it sits in around the safe. It doesn't fit through the door. So a wall has to be knocked out as well. After this discussion I do believe bolts will be fitted as further precaution.
 
Fellow I know had his gun safe on the top floor of his condo. Needless to say the theives
hauled it out of the house. But it cost him thousands of dollars to repair the damage to the place for a couple of guns. He figures it would have been cheaper to have the safe left unlocked then what it cost to fix the place. I have seen big money safes out of the back of stores stolen and hauled away twice with a stolen tow truck. The safes were actually being used to store the narcotics in a drug store at the time. Opening them is pretty easy once you get them someplace where you can make a lot of noise also.
 
Just One Shot said:
Safe bolted - Check

Boxer roaming free in the house - Check
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For me it's:
Safe Bolted -Check
2 Angry Weimaraners (the Cocker doesn't really count) -Check
Alarm System with cell backup -Check
Neighborhood covered by 3 police agencies, Constables, Sheriff. and HPD (when ever the alarm goes off [false positives] we usually get the closest unit, in under 3 minutes every time it's been "tested" and it hasn't been the same agency yet)
90 Db audible alarm placed over the safe and in the front hall -Check
Reinforced entry points -Check
3M glass break protection film on exterior windows -Check
Unemployed spouse who's cranky and a crack shot with a scattergun and pistol -Check

I want to see someone break in just to see the chaos that would ensue. You know, just hide and watch. ;)
 
The Burgler Bomb is an interesting concept, but OC canisters need to be shaken up to get the contents back into suspension in the can before spraying.

A buddy who ran a Police Supply store was talking to one of his workers who had just taken a return on a 'defective' canister of OC spray.
Frank told the worker to go out into the parking lot, spray the canister, and step into the cloud.
Worker did as told and walked back into the store unaffected.
Frank then shook the can and handed it back to the worker to repeat the test.........following him outside with a jug of water and a roll of paper towels.
Worker sprayed,....stepped in,.......dropped to his knees............ ;)

I'll always remember that test.
 
2 medium sized guys delivered my 900lb safe using nothing more than a pick-up and some small plastic pipes about 2 feet long.

I told them I'd call them if I ever wanted to build a pyramid.
 
There are 2 ways a burglar can move a safe without even a dolly.

One: Bring 3 or 4 pieces of 1 inch water pipe....then use them as rollers. Just tilt up one side, slip them under.

Two: On a smooth floor like wood or vinyl, just use a wool blanket as a pad. The safe will slide.

Then in those cases where the safe is in a garage and lightly bolted, they can use a heavy nlyon strap and a tow hook to yank it loose with a truck.
 
Shovelhead:
According to the guy who designed the Burglar Bomb his OC formulation is very fine particulate and at least on the units I have they are mounted upside down with no pickup tube. It is a burst nozzle like an OC grenade - not easily clogged. Anything that settles comes out first. He claims that no maintenance is required for the three year life of the cartridge.

He has had actual experience with units successfully protecting hunting camps and other buildings only occasionally occupied.
 
My mothers house had a false wall in the master bedroom for guns, I know that it doesn't protect the guns from fire, but it would more effective against theft than an easily found safe.

This is one of the reason that I'm hesitant about buying a safe, I guess that I've watched too many Youtube videos showing how to bust a "gun" safe with little more than a hammer and screwdriver, or some prybars.
 
I know that it doesn't protect the guns from fire
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Most safes don't protect against fire, unless they're specifically fire rated.

I've watched too many Youtube videos showing how to bust a "gun" safe
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99.9% of homes safes are merely good to slow the burglar down. The absolute best protection for your guns is to simply not let anyone know you've got guns.
 
Even if your safe is bolted, if the steel is not thick, a portable electric saw will cut it open.
 
Years back when living in an appartment with no safe I removed cylinders, slides barrels and so forth from my firearms and stored those parts at a relatives house. I had two breakin's in 5 years and none of the pieces that were disassembled were touched. A firearm that can't be quickly fenced is not a very desireable item for most thieves.
 
I am worried that the criminals will start renting excavators or cranes now to steal gun safes. Oh well as long as they don't figure out how to pick locks or use a quickie saw.



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My safe is in the 1100 lbs. ball park empty, now it is completely full. I'm 6'3", 245lbs. and I do 2 hour workouts 5 days a week. I can't even slide mine across the carpet unassisted. Any dude (or 2, or 3) that can man handle my safe with out empying the contents, and get it in a truck has my respect.....
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It is a fairly simple problem to solve. You simply tip the safe and slide heavy guage PVC pipe underneath and it will roll quite easily. That is how my buddy's "unmoveable" gun safe got moved by just one guy.

Of course the task is made easy by the fact that the heavier gun safes tend to be tall and so you get your leverage for tilting from the height. The task would be hugely more difficult if the safe was laying down on its back. Then you might need a few guys to move it quickly, lifting the edges in order to put the pipe underneath.
 
One of my favorites I've ever seen, was a old refrigerator You know the old school fridges, that just had one door, with a little ice box on the inside, and the big a$$ latch on the door? It was one of those. My friends dad pulled the ice box & drawers out, put some carpet and shelves on the inside. It was actually REALLY nice! And those old things weigh about a TON anyways!!! He replaced the key locking latch on the door, it was good to go. But I thought it was one of the most clever things I've ever seen. Hiding in plain sight. To top it off, it was in the basement, in the utility room, with the hot water heater, the REAL spare fridge, washer & dryer etc.... It just looked like it was supposed to be there!!!
 
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I have opened a couple safes,took about an hr.carbide drill and knowing where to drill.also go in from back.now they have cordless drills.and on TV they had an add for a skill saw cutting thru a small steel box??maybe a small safe in couple minutes.:uhoh::rolleyes:
 
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