Bond Arms trigger?

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  1. old fart

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    I own a 9mm Roughneck, I am having a hard time getting used to the trigger. After about 10 rounds it did seem that I was finding it easier to pull but still hurt my finger trying to pull it. I was even pulling to the point my shots were going off target. Will it get easier? If not I may have found the one gun that I can't own, if it will then I will try pocket carry soon with the warm weather. thanks
     
  2. oldfortyfiveauto

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    If you watch the trigger when it moves it actually pivots down instead of towards the rear. That what makes it a challenge to shoot.
     
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  3. Targa

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    Like oldfortyfiveauto said, more of a downward motion. I also found that giving up on proper trigger press with the pad of your finger makes the trigger much more tolerable and for me anyway, much more accurate.
     
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  4. jstert

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    oldfart, hopefully your trigger issue is just a learning curve, as others stated, and not due to the b.a. rowdy/roughneck’s less-finished buildout. i have several original gen2 b.a. derringers and, once learned, their triggers are fine. i got rid of a roughneck 357/38 even after its repair trip back to the factory because it still couldn’t match the original gen2 in reliable functionality. highly-finished, well-fitted products command a higher price but ultimately one gets one’s money’s worth.
     
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    I have learned the "pull down, not just back" technique with my .45 Bond Mini.
     
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    Also to the pull down advice, you could add a tiny bit of light synthetic grease to the trigger / hammer area. Tiny bit.
     
  7. old fart

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    Thanks Y'all, I believe I will sell the two I have and suffer the loss in money but gain the knowledge to never own another. I have tried and my finger strength just won't let me do it well. Now to figure what they can be sold for and I know I will lose on them, one has never been fired and never will by me. Maybe I can sell both for enough to get a Wrangler and some ammo. Thanks everyone.
     
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    I’ll agree the trigger on s Bond Arms derringer leaves something to be desired but I have found lower power cartridges are easier to accurate than the bigger ones.

    Mine originally was a Snake Slayer with a 4” .410/ 45 Colt barrel. I do better with my 38 Special and 327 Fed Mag barrels with lower power loads.

    I’ve been dabbling with 327 Fed Mag shot loads and they seem to work fairly well on small critters. I have dies to make gas checks from aluminum soda cans that do a good job of over powder and over shot wads.
     
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  9. ahil925

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    My Roughneck needed a good cleaning to get rid of all the grit from it's finish, in the end I disassembled it and rinsed it off with boiling water, dried it, and oiled it as I put it back together. Doing this made the trigger much nicer for me. I've heard others have used brake cleaner to blast out the grit. Another tip I seen some give is to try shooting it without the trigger guard installed, for some it changes the way they grip the pistol and affects the feel of the trigger.
     
  10. jstert

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    yes indeed, try without the triggerguard! mine feel better unguarded.
     
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    Out of curiosity, are they both rough series? If not, I would try to shoot the non-rough one. As jsert pointed out, the internals on the rough series are often seem to be left a little, well, rougher. I don't think you would loose much value firing the unfired one, IMHO it is still "used" whether you fired it or not since it has been sold to a private party. A couple rounds definitely isn't going to hurt a bond, they are built like tanks if nothing else.

    In addition to a good clean (including some judicious emory cloth/stone work on contact surfaces because mine is a roughneck too) and lube, I also put a lighter main spring in mine. It took a little experimenting to get the weight that doesn't result in light strikes. But, the hammer is very easy to cock, and the trigger got a lot lighter although you still have to use the downward motion of course. Not a modification I would make if the gun were going to be used for anything other than a range toy or cowboy shooting, but it is possible. I just like the gun because it is a hoot to shoot, so I dialed it in for my purpose.
     
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  12. old fart

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    I decided after reading some more of y'alls post and my wife wanting me to keep them, to take them apart give them a good deep cleaning and smooth any rougher than normal spots. I can't describe the difference in words, while still a back downward pull, it is a much easier or I guess a smoother pull. Looks like I will be keeping them, I made a deal with the wife too, since she thinks they are cute that one is now hers. She shoots it better than I do and looks like the Bond's are gonna stay in our house. She said she may use hers in a pocket holster as backup to her Ruger EC9s, it's hers so as long as she's happy I am happy. Thanks everyone.
     
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    Get here some nice grips for it. They really dress things up. Here's some stag I bought off of ebay for my Texan. 20220507_152451_edited.jpeg
     
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    yup, the “problem” with b.a. derringers is that they are addictively easy to dress up: grips, holsters, barrels... adding barrels in different calibers allows ammo scrounging, doesn’t need an ffl and makes for easy christmas & birthday gifts to onself. enjoy!
     
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    I made a set of grips for mine. I ruined the first set, but the second set is decent. Every once in awhile I change something (remove a hotspot, change a contour, round an edge, etc.) so it is an ongoing project. Still coming from a piece of recycled eucalyptus log I think they are rather neat. 4866D371-1042-459A-AAF5-5F03958939C4.jpeg AC5B532B-6E28-434A-9B35-9A6393F5C987.jpeg
     
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    I handled a well finished 357/38 BA derringer for the first time yesterday at an LGS going out of business sale. It was marked $350. Would that be a fair price? My first thought was I'd never fire 357 through that but 38spl might work. At what distance can you be reasonably accurate with one?
     
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    If it’s not a rough series it is a very good price.
     
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    The price is very good. As far as accuracy, it's mostly up to you. At 7 yards I can hold fist size groups with my 9, .357 (using .38 spl), and .45 ACP barrels. I'm sure the guns are capable of better in different hands. With the .22 barrel I can bounce pop cans around at well over that.
    One thing to be aware of is the difference in impact point between the upper and lower barrels. Due to the difference in the line of the bores relative to your hand the upper barrel will always print above the lower. The heavier the caliber the greater the difference will be. My .45 ACP puts the upper barrel group center about 2-3" above point of aim and the lower barrel about 2" below POA. With .38 the groups are a couple inches closer together. I haven't tested this yet with my .45 Colt only barrel but I suspect it will be quite similar to the ACP result.
    Shooting .357 isn't painful for the first half dozen rounds or so, but it isn't particularly pleasant either.
     
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  19. jstert

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    be sure that it is an original gen2, denoted by an indented trigger and wider hammer spur (see photo below), which has an updated/smoother trigger. stay away from lesser finished, ill fitted rowdy/roughneck models. 38sp is fun, 357mag isn’t. $350 otd is a decent price for an original gen2. i prefer rubber grips. remove the trigger guard for cold weather, gloved hands carry. add some barrels to your christmas and birthday gift lists. practice plinking using speedstrips to reload. cheers and welcome to b.a. world!
     

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    Anybody remember the Lays potato chip commercials from years ago? "I bet you can't eat just one." Just sayin'...........
     
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  21. Autodidactic

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    Very good price for the finished ones. Used they often are over $400. You can be accurate out to 7-10 yards with practice, but I mean center mass. .38 is great. .357 is too much
     
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  22. Autodidactic

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    I'm going to cite you guys as justification memo cosigners for my next barrel :thumbup::thumbup:
     
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