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Border patrol concept

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Rem700SD, Oct 18, 2006.

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  1. Rem700SD

    Rem700SD Member

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    As it stands right now, border patrol agents have to "round up" illegal aliens. This makes their job difficult. What if we made a zone, about 500yds wide along the US side of the border, where illegal immigration is a class A felony?
    Would BP be allowed to shoot first and ask questions later?
    How would this change the procedure? Would it help?
     
  2. Axman

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    Too me, illegals coming in are like a slow invasion, a few at a time. Armies invade countries to take over, Mexican illegals are just doing it without the army factor.
     
  3. SoCalShooter

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    That's for me to know and not you!
    War of attrition my friends, shooting them is not the solution.
     
  4. plexreticle

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    Shooting someone for crossing the border? Wow, I hope not.
     
  5. crazed_ss

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    The only way this would work if the BP recruited loonies from gun message boards. I doubt the average BP agent would want a job that entails shooting down men, women, and children in cold blood on a daily basis.
     
  6. razorburn

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    Yes, that's what the border patrol needs. Some gun board crazies looking for an excuse to kill.
     
  7. ilbob

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    I have suggested (mostly tongue in check) something similar, but I seriously doubt it will happen. It is tough to get any normal person to shoot someone who is unarmed and not an immediate threat. The kind of person who would actually do it is not the kind of person you want employed as a LEO.
     
  8. Lone_Gunman

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    How would you tell a US Citizen from an illegal alien at 500 yards?

    I don't think illegal border crossing should be worth the death penalty.

    All we have to do is build a state-of-the-art wall like what Israel has built in certain areas. It would only cost about $1 million per mile, and be well worth the expense in long run. The current administration says this cost is too high, and it is not feasible to build. But this is a lie. The cost of one mile of interstate highway is between $10 and 20 million dollars, depending on whose stats you read. Our current defense budge is ofver $400 billion per year. There are about 2,000 miles on the Mexican border; we could build a wall for a mere $2 billion dollars, or about 0.5% of one year's defense budget.
     
  9. Alex45ACP

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    They will still come in. The key is to end the government "wealth redistribution" schemes.
     
  10. Lone_Gunman

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    A few would still find a way to get in, but no where near the numbers we are seeing now.
     
  11. Josh Aston

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    I agree with Alex. Even the hardest target is still penetrable, so rather than harden the target, make it less desireable.
     
  12. cassandrasdaddy

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    funny

    "All we have to do is build a state-of-the-art wall like what Israel has built in certain areas. It would only cost about $1 million per mile, and be well worth the expense in long run. The current administration says this cost is too high, and it is not feasible to build. But this is a lie. The cost of one mile of interstate highway is between $10 and 20 million dollars, depending on whose stats you read. Our current defense budge is ofver $400 billion per year. There are about 2,000 miles on the Mexican border; we could build a wall for a mere $2 billion dollars, or about 0.5% of one year's defense budget."

    interesting figure 1 mill a mile. ever look at the country you wanna wall off? and consider the road you need to bring in the material and equipment? your numbers nees a lil massage to get in the real world
     
  13. Lone_Gunman

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    The $1 million dollar/mile is a number that I have seen quoted by several sources, and would build not only a physical wall, but also provide for some surveillance equipment.

    Like it or not, Israel built a wall for $1million/mile. It can done, no matter how bad pro-illegal immigration people wish it couldn't be.

    Even if cost $10 million/mile, it would still be worthwhile investment, and that would still only be $20 billion dollars, which is only 5% of ONE year's defense budget.
     
  14. Birukun

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    Isn't that what Mexico does on the southern border? Or was it only the natives in the mountains in the region that get shot.....

    Bill in SD
     
  15. lwaldron

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    "Even the hardest target is still penetrable, so rather than harden the target, make it less desireable."

    Every illegal Mexican that enters this country makes it a less desireable place to live.
     
  16. davec

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    We can call them the Waffen BP. Organize them into Einsatzgruppen, or Task Forces.

    They can follow in the best traditions and the values of Liberal Democratic governance.

    [​IMG]
     
  17. Geronimo45

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    It would reduce the number of illegals, increase the number of buzzards/vultures, and definitely tick off our pal Vincente Fox. NAFTA would blow a fuse, UN would go berserk.
    What's more, you don't know who you're shooting. They may be just poor folks trying to come here for a better life. They may be drug runners.
    It is way too bad a political decision to set things up that way - not to mention the ethics/moral dilemma of shooting people who may be refugees from a crooked country.
     
  18. Glockfan.45

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    Wow REM700SD I hope that was a joke. What are we now E.Germany shooting people crossing a wall? You want to stop illegal imigration go after the employers. I say a $10k fine per illegal imigrant you are caught employing. So if you run a small construction crew of 20 people, and 10 are illegal you now have a $100,000 dollar fine. Naturally you still need to cut illegals off from public services, schools, and ER'S. When they have nothing to come here for they will leave. But I am disgusted at the idea of gunning people down who are only looking for a way out of a hell hole, run by a corrupt government.
     
  19. aspen1964

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    shooting at illegals is too dumb an idea to suggest unless they are attacking(threatening) someone within our border...

    that said...being poor and in search for work is NOT..NOT!!!! an excuse to break our laws...one more time, NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! an excuse...a war refugee..I could be more understanding...about

    ..all of them know it is a violation of our laws, is dishonest in a VERY BIG WAY...but they are dishonest, which is why they do whatever they can to get away with it....unless Mexicans, Central & South Americans have a short-circuited conscience built in...I don't believe being a member of a certain ethnic group means you have diminshed conscience of right or wrong..so I don't excuse them for their actions...finally we DO allow immigrants to come to this country in an orderly fashion...but there are many waiting and only so much room in the US..so you wait your turn and do it according to the US laws..I do not want anyone outside this country who is not willing to honor this country's laws to come in..AT ALL...we have enough dishonesty and crime homegrown..we don't need to import any...PERIOD!!!!!!!
     
  20. roscoe

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    People keep blaming the Mexicans. You are looking in the wrong direction. Punish the employers and this problem will dramatically decrease. It is simple economics: if there is demand, there will be supply. Always has been that way - just look at our success in the drug war.

    You need to cut off demand, and for that you need someone with the guts to take on employers like big building contractors, corporate farmers, and WalMart.
     
  21. omcf

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    Since we're being silly here: why not shoot every good ole' boy contractor that pulls his SUV up to the parking lot of the local Home Depot to get underpaid labor (illegal aliens), every 40-something hausfrau who hires a "Maria" to clean her house twice a month, every restraunt owner who has two illegal aliens washing all the dishes for 2$/hr, every great American farmer who hires what he knows are shady migrant laborers to pick his crops because he won't pay a living wage to get American Citizens to do it....Shooting only these people would stop the demand of the supply/demand equation and would take far less ammo, I assure you. Shooting either group would be illegal and morally reprehensible.

    The people who attempt to cross the deserts and bandit zones already do face death trying to come here. We as a society need to have the will to enforce the laws that we already have on the books, the physical methods of doing so are not the issue. Giving human smugglers three years in prison, as opposed to 3 years of unsupervised probation would be a good start, IMHO
     
  22. aspen1964

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    ...the other side of the problem needs to be punished too...that I agree without reservation...but both sides know they are doing wrong...and don't care...WE NEED TO!
     
  23. selector67

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    To save money building the wall, we could employ the illegals to help build it, it would be steady work for them.:D And the government saying they can't police the border, thats bull:cuss: Look at Area 51 in Nevada, the base the government say's does'nt exist, its part of a vast 4,687 square mile testing range, If you even step foot in there, the military is on you. Maybe the government should employ what they are using to protect that base from us civilian folk, and put it on the border, then we would not have to build a wall.:D
     
  24. Liberal Gun Nut

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    Talking about or advocating shooting non-violent unarmed people is crazy-talk. We're all human, no matter which side of some imaginary line we're from.
     
  25. BobTheTomato

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    Two prong approach:

    Heavily fine people who hire them or send them to jail.

    Detain pople who cross the border for a few months so they cant earn money then ship them back to the south of mexico
     
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