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Boston's Gun Bible, save your money.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by bbgun, Jun 30, 2005.

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  1. bbgun

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    bbgun is a convicted felon, and just the most recent incarnation of gunkid.
     
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  2. Ian

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    No book is complete without a chapter on how to select the best 11" AR, homemade suppressor, and .22 conversion kit. Perhaps if Boston had added that, he would be selling books by the wheelbarrow-load.
     
  3. thereisnospoon

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    A reasonable person could surmize that you are transferring your hatred for this, uh, um... gentleman that allegedly failed to pay you for your holster product onto the author whose book he publishes.

    Besides, a poodle shooter set up like David Tubbs should win the 1000 meter, but has failed to most of the time, losing to the humble .308 round. Ummmm.. have you ever heard of this thing they call science? Kinetic energy and all that????

    Just checking...
     
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    Wow! Where do I start on an ignorant rant like the one above.
    As stated in his book, Mr. Royce says that these are his OPINIONS based upon his personal testing of the weapons involved. Nothing more, nothing less. However, I believe he has done FAR MORE actual study and shooting of these weapons than you have, bbgun. Therefore, I would believe his words over yours.
    Second, I really can't believe you said "ball ammo sucks in all calibers,...". Really? Tell that to the thousands of Germans, Japanese, Koreans and Vietnamese that were killed by .45. .30-06, .308 and .223 ball ammo in the wars.
    Last but not least you bring up the tired old '.223 vs. .308 debate. Please! - Let me ask you this though: You have one shot from a rifle to stop an aggressor. What do you choose to make sure he goes down? A .223? I think not. Why do you think the soldiers in Iraq are begging the military to provide them with more M1As? That's right. The .223 just doesn't do the job, especially at distance.
    Since you just recently joined this board I can't yet decide whether you are a troll or not. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, even ridiculous ones like yours. have a nice day.
     
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    i Worship you, Gunkid.
     
  7. Zak Smith

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    Sturgeon's Law holds.
     
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    bbgun is a troll.

    He joined the forum today, June 30.

    All 29 or 30 of his posts thus far have been just as charming as this one, and all 29 or 30 of them have been posted today, June 30, 2005.

    Thirty posts, full of attitude, all on one day?

    If that ain't troll, then what is?

    hillbilly
     
  9. Sungun09

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    Well; I just got done reading Boston's book(s) and I have learned quite abit, but like any other book or author you might have an issue with an item or two due to your expertise.

    With two ears and two eyes, you will learn alot more than with one mouth. Good luck BB, one day you'll be a pelletgun.
     
  10. rhubarb

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    hillbilly, you are talking about an internet legend. We're not worthy. He's as entertaining in his predictability as he is energetic.
     
  11. Zak Smith

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    I would characterize BGB as a 800 pages of marginal information interspersed with repeated political rants. What he lacks in accuracy and precision, he makes up for in volume.

    It is not hard to find technical inaccuracies, and he glosses over some options in an almost embarassing way revealing that he promotes basically the optics that he's tried (for example, the most used magnified optic in the US Military gets less attention than IOR). The political ranting gets old for anyone who has participated or lurked in the same debates we've had here, on TFL, and AR15.com for the last 5+ years.

    For what good information is in there, it ought to be presented in a pamphlet: A Quick Guide to Getting Armed with the basic premise: get armed with reliable weapons and get trained.

    With the excellent information available on the web for free (e.g. the Ammo Oracle, the AR15 Optics FAQ, etc), I see the BGB's form as obsolete.
     
  12. Onmilo

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    I don't agree with Mr. Party's advice to buy a .40 Glock and basically forget every other pistol.
    I more or less agree with everything else he says related to firearms but the last few chapters of ranting about Government makes for some slow if rather entertaining reading.
    The book is worth having because everybody will find something in this book that they will more or less agree with and find comfort in, hence the name "Bible".
    Personally, I would recommend a Glock or H&K USP in 9mm first and .45 acp second, forget the .40 short and weak.
    As for a rifle, and one rifle only, I suggest an H&K 91 or PTR91 in .308.

    Tim Mullins, Boston T. Party's doppleganger, thinks a detachable box magazine bolt action in .308 is the ultimate cat's backside for a one and only one rifle.
     
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    Opinions are like bosses, and, well, a certain anatomical location. We all have one.
    Boston is entitled to his, and entitled to publish. I am just as intitled to take his posturings with a grain of salt.
     
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    Gunkid,
    Man it's been a while. Thought your IP was universally banned on all gun forums.
    Scott
     
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    Don't worry, he's no longer with us in his present incarnation. Methinks it's about time I had a word with a few former Marines I know out Colorado way, and suggest a punitive expedition to his house... although since he hasn't learned from anything else, I doubt if pain would teach him anything anyway! :fire:
     
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    Bostons Gun Bible.
    I found much of the information to be useful. Though I too am of the opinion that Boston is heavily biased in favor of a 40 S&W Glock.

    But to each their own...
     
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    Punitive Expedition. :D
     
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    So, Onmilo, are you saying that this Tea Party person is TJ?

    Personally, I think those books are targeted at the sizable paranoid fringe. I'd pay far more attention to gun writers such as Jeff Cooper...
     
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    Not at all,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
     
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    Gunkid was back, and I missed it again. See ya, inmate!
     
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    Ken Royce, AKA "BTP," is a high caliber shooter and person!
     
  22. Boston T. Party

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    from thereisnospoon:
    Is this somehow allegedly related to me, or to somebody else?
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    Tim Mullin and I have different DNA.
    He wrote the Foreword to Boston's Gun Bible, but not the book.
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    from Zak Smith:
    Always nice to hear from the "been there, heard that" crowd
    for whom actually writing a better book would be condescending.

    3600+ posts on just one forum, and you're harping on my volume?


    Feel free to cite them, especially any which would lead
    an unsuspecting reader astray to his detriment. (Use the 3rd
    printing (2005) as the sample edition.) I am always willing to
    learn of any errors and correct them.


    Yes, and I explicited admitted this on page 18/23, and
    explained that precision rifles would be well-served by either
    Leupold or IOR. Optics deserves its own book, so I brushed
    some broad strokes as any mere chapter must.

    Or, should I promote optics I've never tried?
    Your point is obscure, assuming you have a point here.


    Sorry to have bored you. I forget how jaded some have
    become in the shooting culture. Please excuse my simple
    patriot-mindedness.

    When battle rifles are declared contraband, you'll be
    keeping yours right? See you on the barricades, eh?


    A predictable opinion from one in the computer industry.
    You forget that many people actually have a life outside their
    laptops, and value the simplicity, convenience, and pleasure of books.

    The web is a great way to supplement any book, especially BGB.
    However, I wouldn't want to be stuck with only one or the other.

    Meanwhile, by all means, please write and publish the vastly
    superior Zak's Gun Bible. Show us some new political rants.
    Become my Boston. Shatter Sturgeon's Law for us all.

    Barring that, should we all spend hundreds of hours sifting through
    tens of thousands of Internet posts and pages on guns to find
    all the excellent information?

    The purpose of a book is to capitalize on Pareto's Law--the 80/20 Rule.
    I.e., to receive 80% of the information in 20% of the time.
    (The web exists to find the remaining 20% of information, and
    doing so will require nearly all the remaining 80% of time. Such is
    the nature of diminishing marginal returns.)

    On pages Preface/3 and 4/2 I very clearly tell my readers what
    to expect from Boston's Gun Bible and its author. It was not
    written for firearm experts (though they will still learn a thing or two).
    It was written to give the beginner and intermediate shooter a
    solid foundation on which to build. By nearly unanimous accounts,
    it achieves just that.

    To expect more from the book is simply unfair.
    To criticize it for not delivering such is just shabby and malicious.
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    from Travis:
    Thanks for the kind praise. Likewise!
    _________________________

    Molôn labé, y'all!

    Boston T. Party
    http://www.freestatewyoming.org
    http://www.javelinpress.com
     
  23. Zak Smith

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    Assuming these are personal attacks, they are prohibited on THR. And they are irrelevant to the issue as ad hominem.

    The copy I was sent is, I believe, the 2002 printing. If you believe the latest revision is considerably better, send me a copy for review.

    If the goal is to evaluate the available choices, it is irresponsible to merely test ("have tried") a couple and wave your hands at the rest of the field.

    What?

    More personal attacks.
    To the other point, up to date, cross-checked, high quality information is available and easy to find on the web, some it is even the published basic research. That's what that meant. I cited the Ammo Oracle and the AR15 Optics FAQ as two such sources.

    The argument that only an author can criticize an author is a fallacy. If the same rule held, even you could not review firearms, not being a gun designer.

    Mr. Boston,

    You chose to bring this up, and then you chose to make it public. You keep bringing up personal attacks, when my criticism was of your work and explicitly not your person.

    I understand that BGB was intended to be an introduction for beginner and intermediate shooters, and the 80/20 rule is a good idea. In my opinion, as I said before, BGB would have been a more successful vehicle had it been condensed down to a much shorter book: "A Quick Guide to Getting Armed" with the basic premise: get armed with reliable weapons and get trained.

    -z
     
  24. 1911Ron

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    I've read BGB and thought it was very good. Zak as to personal attacks i don't see it that way, he responded to what you said,one must remember if you say something some one will criticize it, thats there right.
    I have looked other places after reading BGB to fill out my research on what to buy to become a rifleman.
     
  25. depicts

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    I ordered mine today

    I didn't get to see the edited version of the comments posted here, but I do find this conversation about guns and gun stuff and gun rights to be interesting enough that I ordered a copy of the Boston Gun Bible today from Amazon.

    I might have ordered it a while back, but to me, the Boston T. Party reminds me of the old club behind Fenway park, where in my Hippie days I rocked to the music and said "Peace Man!". I couldn't relate that T.Party to this one, or the original I'm afraid.

    Anyway, for abnout $21 including shipping, it will be here in two or three days, and if nothing else, it will help balance the shelf that holds my Blue Book of Gun Values. Gosh, I can't get out of Wendy's for less than $21 anymore. Now I'll have a book for reference, and night reading, and who knows, I might even learn something. Wishid I could have bought Molon Abbe and Privacy and protection too, but my card is near the max. Maybe next time.
     
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