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Bought my first kentucky rifle!! Minor problems

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Ironhorse522, Mar 12, 2013.

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  1. Jaymo

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    Doak, I must apologize to you in advance. I plan on stealing your knapper and hammer designs. So simple and easy to make.
    What's the diameter of the brass hammer head? It looks like 1/4" or 5/16". I have some 3/8" brass hex and some 1/2" brass bolts I can use.
    Thanks for yet another brilliant BP solution. You're a credit to this forum.
     
  2. Ironhorse522

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    I bought the 4 flint tools on a ring, the brass hammer, vent pick, and screwdriver
     
  3. kituwa

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    Now that is one beautiful flintlock!
     
  4. kwhi43@kc.rr.com

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    I prefer the Missouri Chert. They are long lasting and spark well, plus they are cheap.

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  5. Doak

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    Jaymo ~
    Nothin' to steal. It's your's fer the takin'. Someone else showed it to me...Ha! But that was a long time ago...:-D Hammer head on that one is 7/16'' OD. It's not critical. 1/2'' mite even be better.

    Ha! My credit's no good!...:-D
     
  6. Doak

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    Do you mine your own chert, & knapp it yourself? I didn't know there's a source fer it?

    That back action pistol looks like a hoot t' shoot!
     
  7. kwhi43@kc.rr.com

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    The chert comes from along the Memmereck River down in the St Louis
    Area. You get 13 for 12.00 any size. They are knapped and sold by Rich Pierce.
    He will mail you the Flints first. You try them, and only pay for them if you like
    Them. I have about 100 so far. Yes, the pistol is fun to shoot.

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  8. Doak

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    Ironhorse522 ~
    I'm thrilled to be able to tell you that there's no cure fer what ya got! Ya prolly don't know it yet, but one day you will...how lucky you are to have the sickness!...:-D

    The treatment always fails, & it goes on forever!
     
  9. Ironhorse522

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    I'm may be getting another remy to complement my other remy. But also want a pair of 1860 colts. And Walkers, Dragoons, etc, etc.. I really like it. Will post pics Saturday of the flintlock in action!!
     
  10. Jaymo

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    Flintlocks are big, stupid fun. My favorite kind of fun. I love mine. I can't wait to take a deer with it.
     
  11. BlackNet

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    I assembled this 'cheat sheet' few years back on substitutes.

    As for your problem it is likely not the flint being dull, more likely it is the substitute powder you are using. You can use it but it often requires a booster charge in the barrel to ignite it. The pan sets off the booster charge which ignites the substitute. If you are dealing with percussion caps they are hot enough to ignite the substitute powder.

    Quick way to test your flint. Put some powder in the pan and trip the hammer. Does it flash, if yes then the flint is adequate, if not then there is a flint problem :)

    Loading up the pan is unique to each, not only do you have the width of the lock but the alignment with the touch hole in the barrel, also the breech plug makes a HUGE difference. When working with new rifles, loads, etc.. it is very good to take some type of hat pin or other small object so you can insert into the touch hole and crunch the powder in the barrel, you can quickly tell if there is powder at the bottom of the breech plug.

    This is a patent breech on my kentucky rifle.
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    Now that you see how DEEP it is, lets look inside the barrel and how it is shaped.
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    So, powder needed must equal volume of the breech cup or exceed. If it is less then you run into dangerous conditions.

    There are many styles, shapes and types of breech plugs out there and to really optimize loading you need to figure out what type it uses and how best to incorporate that into your loading, firing and cleaning scheme.


    Oh and before I end I would like to say congrats on owning one of the first model 'black rifles' :)

    Ed
     
  12. Ironhorse522

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    I'll need plenty of practice and with it. Need to work up a nice load before I try taking a deer. Would be awesome though to strap on my remy, Bowie, possibles bag, blanket roll and flintlock to go hog hunting and camping
     
  13. Ironhorse522

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    The flint I think was the problem, it only threw a couple of sparks when fired not enough to flash the pan. Also I think my vent hole is clogged
     
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    A pipe cleaner works wonders. Also speaker wire works wonders as well. Multistrand not solid core. I took a hat pin and dulled the end and to be honest the vent hole being clogged is most often a sign of the breech plug not being full, not so much the vent hole being clogged. If the powder in the barrel is to large it wont fit down the cut out tubes in the breech plug. First try with pure 3F down the barrel and get/make a breech plug brush.


    Here is the thread I started when I was working with my kentucky rifle. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=682769
     
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    Sorry, I just re-read the original post. I failed to notice that black powder substitute was being used in the PAN. Sorry if this comes across as snobbish but that's just flat wrong. Most often substitute will fail to ignite with a flintlock due to the way the substitute powder is designed.

    Here read this please.
    http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/253311

    I would urge you to buy a can of real black powder. If there are no places local then you can contact the local range or even a black powder club and ask them. There are bound to be places local that has it, You can also order it online but often have to deal with shipping $ and min quantities.

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    I can get black powder but the pan flashed good, the previous flint only threw only 2 or three sparks.
     
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    Also this gun sat in a Indian blanket gunstock for 5 plus years.
     
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    I'm looking for a blackpowder club near me too join. Also am shoping for a enfield or other civil war rifle to buy. I have looked into reenacting, as I have ancestors in the civil war. I love blackpowder, it's like living history. Anybody can load a shell into a rifle, but not everybody can be accurate with these old smoke wagons
     
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    http://nmlra.org/ They use to have a club listing on their page but it's not there now, I sent a msg to them asking about it.

    As for accuracy it is not that hard. The key lies in the loading sequence, how you load, what you load and being as consistent as possible with every load.

    At our turkey shoot last year we had one person bring a rifle in that had the ramrod stuck in the barrel, had been there a good number of years, a very long time. It had became wedged in there and 3 people tried to get it out and no success in doing. Soon after that it was pulled out and used.
     
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    NMLRA Charter Clubs Directory - on the home page, click on Programs at the top, then select Charter Clubs. On the Charter Clubs page, at the top, select Charter Clubs Directory.
     
  21. Ironhorse522

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    Sweet I got in contact with two local clubs that have upcoming events. Now I just practice practice practice
     
  22. Ironhorse522

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    Well my flints, possibles bag, and all assortments of goodies came in today. But as luck would have it I'm stuck working a 12 hour shift. Tomorrow the rock lock roars!! I have one fear though. That the flint is not hot enough to set off the 3f sub main charge. I'm buying black powder tomorrow but need to shoot the load that's in the barrel off.
     
  23. kwhi43@kc.rr.com

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    I guess you know that the spark doesn't come from the flint. It comes from the frizzen. The spark is actually small. Steel shavings that the flint scrapes from
    The frizzen.
     
  24. Ironhorse522

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    Sorry I mispoke, but either way I'm worried that sparks from the frizen won't be hot enough to ignite the main charge. I only need to to shoot once as I am buying real blackpowder tomorrow
     
  25. kwhi43@kc.rr.com

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    Put some powder in the pan.Put a piece of fuse from a old Firework in the pan
    Close the frizzen to hold it, Light the fuse keeping the muzzle pointing in a
    Safe direction. whoose!! Boom. Problem solved.
     
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