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Boycott Long John Silver? Yum Foods (merged threads)

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Texian Pistolero, Oct 4, 2004.

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  1. Texian Pistolero

    Texian Pistolero member

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    Boycott Long John Silver ?

    In Dallas Morning News,

    a 10 year employee of Long John Silver has been fired for (SUCCESSFULLY) resisting a robber, who was forcing him to the back of the restaurant, after all employees had complied and given over the cash.


    Boycott these idiots until honest guy rehired!
     
  2. JPL

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    I'm confused.

    Who should I be protesting?

    The restaurant?

    Or the porn star? :)
     
  3. Joe Demko

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    Because they complied with the robber's demand, the other employees aren't honest?
     
  4. Carlos Cabeza

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    Was this resistance weapon assisted ? You know that whatever they fry their food in has some addictive qualities. :D Might be hard for some to boycott. :p Potentially ugly situation for all of the employees, being forced to the back of the restaurant.
     
  5. Texian Pistolero

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    Sorry, will clarify.

    According to the DMN story,

    The manager and all employees initially complied with the robbers.

    They went to the floor.

    They gave up the cash.

    At this point, if the robbers were legit, they would simply leave.

    But, this employee was grabbed and forced towards the back of the store.

    Those who regularly review tactics, know this is a trigger point.

    If the robbers are playing the game, they would leave.

    It is an axiom that getting moved to another location jacks the odds in favor of rape/murder.

    This means the employee was RIGHT to resist!

    The robbers ran out, leaving the money bag.

    No one hurt.

    But a week later the employee (a ten year veteran), was fired for fighting for his life!
    There must be a nationwide boycott of Long John Silver until :

    a) This employee is rehired.

    b) LJS polices revised to reflect reality
     
  6. Texian Pistolero

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    Full story from Dallas Morning New Website

    Worker fired for trying to disarm robber

    10-year veteran risked others' lives, firm says


    07:59 AM CDT on Monday, October 4, 2004


    By MICHAEL E. YOUNG / The Dallas Morning News



    The robbery passed in a blur – rough voices, barked orders, workers forced to the floor, a bag of money changing hands.

    Then one of the robbers ordered the supervisor at the Richardson Long John Silver's to the back of the restaurant.

    "He's going to kill me," the man recalled thinking. So he grabbed a hammer, turned and swung.

    The robber fell, then fled, his accomplice with him. The bag of money lay on the floor.

    A few days after the Sept. 18 robbery attempt, the supervisor got another shock: Officials at Long John Silver's fired him.

    He'd risked his co-workers' lives and violated company policy, he said they told him.

    A company spokesman declined to discuss specifics, acknowledging the attempted robbery at the Belt Line Road restaurant and the policy.

    Spokesman Rick Maynard said, "Our policy outlines the steps that should be taken to prevent putting customers or employees at risk, including directing employees not to attempt to disarm a robber."

    The decision stunned the fired supervisor, who asked that his name not be used because the robbers remain at large. And it surprised law enforcement officials.

    "You know what? He might not have followed policy. But don't Monday-morning-quarterback someone whose life was threatened," said Richardson police Sgt. Kevin Perlich.

    The supervisor, 46, said his fears overwhelmed him, and for good reason.

    "They had my three employees on the floor," said the Dallas father of six who had worked for Long John Silver's for 10 years. "I gave them the money, but the dude who's supposed to have the gun, he orders me into the back.

    "The only thing I could think is he was going to kill all of us," the fired worker said.

    He'd been robbed on the street 25 years ago. He had handed over his money and offered his watch, but the robber shot him anyway.

    "I had a flashback, and I was panicking. I knew I had to do something. I had seen a hammer in the back, and I grabbed it."

    A few days later, he was called in by his boss and fired.

    "I cooperated. I gave them the money. But they said because I hit one of the robbers, I violated company policy."

    E-mail myoung@dallasnews.com
     
  7. Smoke

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    I'm not a big fan of boycotts but there seems to be a good reason behind this one.

    Plus, LJS food is crap anyway...I hate that place.

    :neener:

    Smoke
     
  8. foghornl

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    Those high-level [ahem] mucky-mucks*** should be the ones having to manage an individual store. See what they think after the BG puts a gun to THEIR head.



    ***Nicest term I could use to describe management [so far removed from reality, that a trip to Mars would be a short side-trip]
     
  9. notbubba

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    Well, I don't eat at Long John Slivers & I'm willing to still not eat there.:evil:
     
  10. KRAUTGUNNER

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    The fired employee should sue LJS! THAT case should be won even with the help of a cheap and mediocre lawyer.
     
  11. sendec

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    Talk about your monday morning quarterbacking

    Wait, thats what WE are doing! Its OK for us, but LJS shouldnt, the prongs.
     
  12. SAG0282

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    I boycotted them long ago based on their atrocious food quality.......
     
  13. nico

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    will do. I've never eaten at one anyway and if I want frozen, processed, fried fish, I can get it from the grocery store.

    That is absolutely ridiculous though. I can almost understand the CYA policy of "just cooperate" but sanctioning the man in any way is absolutely absurd. He should find the slimiest lawyer he can (I hear John Edwards will be available in a month or so) and sue the pants off the company and any executives who were involved in the decision. They definitely would not take responsibility if the man had been killed, so they have absolutely no business telling him what to do in a life or death situation.
     
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    Sendec are you actually saying that you support the decision to fire a man who was defending his life?? :confused:
     
  15. sendec

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    What I am saying is that I'll not make a decision based on a random demand from someone I dont know who provides minimal info on the web. I also think it is hilarious when we criticize a decision made by people who have FAR more info than we do for a decision based on info we dont have.

    Maybe the guy should be sainted, I dunno. Keep in mind that the decision he made was unilateral - it could have had a horrific consequence for everyone else involved. I am glad it worked out, but was it because he was good, or because he was lucky?

    I'm sorry, I dont like other people making my decision for me, on the net or in the middle of a robbery. You want me to boycott, fine, send me the videotape, the police reports, the interview summaries and the statements from the other people there and I'll take a look at it, but I'm not basing a decision on what someone on a forum has to say whithout providing foundation.

    And how is this boycott going to help? So 12 people don't eat grease. Get a couple of minimum wage fryer jockeys laid off? How is suing going to help? He violated policy. Ask the lawyers here how they'd get around that, cause it aint easy. Get his job back? Who'd want it after they rear ended him like that?

    If you think what he did was so great take the money you woulda spent at LJS, stick it in an envelope and mail it to him. That'd mean a lot more than bluster on the web.

    Based on my experience and knowledge, he gambled and won. Good for him. But the house odds are a beech. For those who think interrupting a robbery is just peachy I'd refer you to the PepBoys tape, the North Hollywood tape, the Norco tape.......You feelin lucky?
     
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    You're right I don't have all of the evidence and wasn't there at the scene. That is exactly why I give the benefit of the doubt to a man who was in danger for his life and chose to ACT in order to defend it. We know there was a robbery, this is of no dispute. Given that fact alone the man had reason to fear for his life. I will stand behind someone who chooses to take action in such a situation everytime over someone who meekly complies with someone who means to do them harm. If there were more people like that then perhaps the twin towers would still be standing.
     
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    He is better off

    Getting fired from that fish dump is the best thing that could happen to this guy. I am sure he will find a much better job with a much better employer.:rolleyes:
     
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    Based on the information given, he feared for his life and took whatever action he deemed necessary. It's kinda late to resist while they are pulling the trigger on you.

    I'm sure the responses here would have been much different had the article read something like " Concealed Carry Permit Holder fired for opening fire on robbers". He did not have a gun, but he improvised.

    Hopefully he will get a better job, and not in the fast food sector. If he does stay in the fast food business he shouldn't have too much problem getting a new job. As Chris Rock says " If you get fired, so what. Buger King don't talk to Wendy's!". :D

    Good Shooting
    Red
     
  19. effengee

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    Company policy...

    A few places I have worked have this type of policy with a strict wording that stated something to the effect of you WILL be fired for attempting to save your life on the job during a robbery...

    It's sad as hell, but that's the policy.
    It didn't stop me from taking the job and I never agreed that I wouldn't try to stop a crime anyway

    Boycotting the single restaraunt or the entire chain would do little good.

    Write a letter to the corporate offices stating your dissatisfaction.
    It still won't do much good, but they'll know somebody's paying attention.

    Jim
     
  20. Texian Pistolero

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    I don't think an actual boycott will be necessary.

    The mere threat of a boycott often will work.

    I don't think there is any guaranteed outcome to this,

    but at least I have the balls to try.

    I actually like LJS,

    about four times a year.


    After an initial summary, I have posted the

    Dallas Morning News story in full from their website.

    I rarely agree with the Dallas Morning News,

    but they obviously agree with the fired employee.

    The facts may or may not be as they reported,

    but any error in the report is theirs.

    In any case LJS will have the right to correct any errors.

    If the facts are as stated, they are in the wrong.
     
  21. Standing Wolf

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    If I ever encounter one of those restaurants, I'll be sure not to eat in it.
     
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    I don't eat at LJS, but I'll be sure to tell all my friends about this sad story.:uhoh:
     
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    I'll have to agree w/ sendec.... in the sense that when that man reacted - he reacted on behalf of all involved.

    Of course - so does a CHL holder - in fact - i'd say a CHL holder is charged w/ the duty. But hey - thats just my opine.

    According to the story - he did all the right things - right up until it became about his life - and if thats the case... I'd commend him.

    This isn't a first - companies do this all the time. Its designed to rein in some &ock Jock who thinks he's the cream of the crop and resists to just resist - which overwhelmingly results in loss of life/injury. (IE: won't happen in MY store man!!!) I'm sure there are liability issues etc as well - but all the info i've seen says that resistance is usually futile in those situations.

    I can't say how i'd react - in the back fryin the grease at a LJS i doubt one would be ready for a robbery since whatever the % is that nothing happens. Not only will you not likely be near a defensive weapon of some sort - you will also not be prepared for it.

    If the words above are correct - the guy remembered a hammer in the "back" and knew where it was for a suprise launch against his assailant... don't know how it turned out - he hit him he didn't whatever, the guys ran away... but how would we be viewing this story if it turned out how the %'s usually roll and the story read instead that he resisted and was killed or he was killed and so where his fellow employee's...?

    I'm not gonna boycot LJS, but since i don't like fish fried grease or fried loaves of bread w/ some bits of chicken inside... its not really gonna matter since they don't get my business anyway. (I think its the ONE place i REFUSE to eat at no matter what)

    J/Tharg!
     
  24. gryphon

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    You know I'm gonna John Kerry on this one and do a reversal.

    This goes back to the Pizza Hut driver that wsas fired for using his CCW weapon to defend himself on his route. On that one I stated that I wanted to boycott Pizza Hut.

    But now when I think about it, both places had clear policies about what would happen in these scenarios given the response of the employees.

    As an employee you know what the policy ios going in.

    If it was me I probably would have done what the employee did in the LJS and Pizza Hut scenario, however, it's hard to cry fowl(sp?) when you know what the outcome would be. It's just a job.
     
  25. Texian Pistolero

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    Perhaps.

    But I have a PERSONAL right to never, never, never, again,

    give one red cent to these lowlife corporate d*** suckers,

    that's MY policy.

    If I want a less than optimally fried piece of of fish,

    I got gaziillions of alternative choices.

    case closed.
     
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