Geronimo45
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That may be a PD in California.
Agreed. Most of the other hosts have respect for each other, Savage seems to hate 'em all. He can get very interesting when he starts to discuss history, though.
Boycott Michael Savage!
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30mag
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There's your problem.
However, I thought the LAPD was issuing rifles?
Savage is a New Yorker that now lives in San Francisco. He lacks a whole lot of perspective that is shared by those that live in the middle of those two highly left-leaning areas.
Like Limbaugh, he is an entertainer first, a libertarian/conservative second.
I do enjoy his show though. He is entertaining.
Like Limbaugh, he is an entertainer first, a libertarian/conservative second.
I do enjoy his show though. He is entertaining.
Limbaugh told someone to read Hayek yesterday.
Michael Savage is, himself, very intelligent. However, his show doesn't operate on the intellectual level of Limbaugh's. Rush Limbaugh gets no credit for this from the left, who are scared of him, but they're two very different animals.
Savage can be a darkly emotional person, a real writer/artist type.
Regardless, let him do his thing. A boycott based on something he said and what rhetorical device he used is the LAST thing anyone ought to do right now.
Michael Savage is, himself, very intelligent. However, his show doesn't operate on the intellectual level of Limbaugh's. Rush Limbaugh gets no credit for this from the left, who are scared of him, but they're two very different animals.
Savage can be a darkly emotional person, a real writer/artist type.
Regardless, let him do his thing. A boycott based on something he said and what rhetorical device he used is the LAST thing anyone ought to do right now.
Not to mention...
Barack Obama was stupid enough to attack Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. This not only made Obama look like a fool, it doubled the ratings of two of his best-known critics.
Don't get me wrong, I can't wait to see Barack Obama thrown out as the first Carter was. But we could learn something from his (growing list of) mistakes.
Barack Obama was stupid enough to attack Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. This not only made Obama look like a fool, it doubled the ratings of two of his best-known critics.
Don't get me wrong, I can't wait to see Barack Obama thrown out as the first Carter was. But we could learn something from his (growing list of) mistakes.
Seattleimport
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Savage, like Limbaugh and Stern, is a professional blowhard. It's his job to antagonize people. He's very good at it; it's likely that everyone who's replied to this thread clicked on that link to his article, thereby driving traffic/ratings/advertising revenue to him.
If you want to defeat him, just ignore him.
If you want to defeat him, just ignore him.
Just like those ---holes Mark Twain, Ben Franklin, Thomas Paine, John Steinbeck...
America would be a much better place if we'd defeated all of our blowhards over the years, you know those jerks who made money by making people laugh, making them think, and making them angry.
I never suggested your deep cynicism. Maybe that's because I don't, and never did, live in Seattle.
I just believe in thinking before acting.
kingvillien
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Gun owners should boycott Savage.
Seattleimport
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Gold star for the random statement about Seattle.
So, your argument then is that all professional rabblerousers (like Savage) add value to our society? I disagree, sir. Not all contrarians are created equal.
While some raise legitimate points and show the emperor has no clothes, others are simply egomaniacs in love with the sound of their own voice. Or, even worse, cynical panderers who care more about their paycheck than they do the meaning of the words coming out of their mouth.
There's a difference between the knowledgeable satire of Jon Stewart (http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=220252&title=cnbc-gives-financial-advice.) and the gross pandering of Glenn Beck (http://www.observer.com/2009/media/crying-game-i’m-sad-hell-and-i’m-not-going-take-anymore?page=all). Both are pundits, both are professional rabblerousers, but Jon doesn't hide the fact that he's acting and playing to his audience.
NWGunner
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Last time I was listening to Savage was before Labor Day 2008. He was going on and on about how fun it was going to be to shoot his mini-14 that had been languishing in his safe. He solicited calls from the audience asking if it was safe to use old ammo bought "decades ago". Savage also CCW's IIRC. While maybe not a true "gun guy", he certainly exercises his RKBA by virtue of the fact he owns what CA now classifies as an Assault Weapon.
He is a showman, an antogonist and he's good at what he does. Personally, I don't listen to him much because he's on from 6-9pm in my local market, a 3-hour delay. He's very incendiary, invites conflict - and often contradicts himself.
To limit this discussion to wether or not we should boycott him, I think it's presumptuous to do so and his comments have been taken out of context. He's spoken numerous times about how he thinks gun ownership is a cornerstone of American culture.
He is a showman, an antogonist and he's good at what he does. Personally, I don't listen to him much because he's on from 6-9pm in my local market, a 3-hour delay. He's very incendiary, invites conflict - and often contradicts himself.
To limit this discussion to wether or not we should boycott him, I think it's presumptuous to do so and his comments have been taken out of context. He's spoken numerous times about how he thinks gun ownership is a cornerstone of American culture.
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Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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Boycott him, you say?
I would if I knew who the hell he was and why I should care. So I guess I already was and didn't know it!
I would if I knew who the hell he was and why I should care. So I guess I already was and didn't know it!
Ask him - [email protected]
I haven't listened to Savage for at least two years. But when I did, I distinctly remember him saying that he owned an AR15 and a Glock pistol.
Don't know what his gig is now, but unless he were lying at that time, he owned at least, those two "evil black guns."
L.W.
Don't know what his gig is now, but unless he were lying at that time, he owned at least, those two "evil black guns."
L.W.
Pretty transparent of you.
All you are really saying is, "I'm a liberal, I like Jon Stewart, not Glenn Beck, and I've adopted the current strategy of the American left: don't respond to anything, just bash whoever said it." That's okay, I mean, the President is doing it now, but you're in no position to call anyone else disingenuous.
How much have you listened to Glenn Beck?
And how much serious critique of Stewart have you read?
Besides, nobody mentioned EITHER ONE of these guys.
I'd be careful with those Emperor's Clothes references, there.
And yes, Seattle has something to do with it. I know that a lot of the trendy young lefties there think they've all come to their own reasoned conclusions, but to anyone else looking in from outside, the groupthink is pretty obvious.
Now I know I will accomplish nothing by posting this, but what the hell. It probably won't occur to you that I'm trying to get you to think.
Jon Stewart does not do that. There's virtually no element of his work that challenges the individual to think.
I have my biases, though. I occasionally do listen to people on the radio, because I'm headed someplace and music radio gets old really fast. Whatever they say or don't say, listening to the radio is generally something that people who have lives do because they're going from place to place. I don't watch TV at home, haven't had cable for years, and I think if anyone's seen more than an hour of cable in the past week should get a life, for his/her own good.
Last I saw Jon Stewart with any regularity, he was a smirking sophomoric comedian. Recently, I saw more of him, and it's like he hasn't grown up at all, he just pretends to be more "serious" sometimes now.
I'm not defending Michael Savage. I've never met him. I'm not defending what he says. Some of it, I disagree with totally, and besides, I didn't say it, he did.
But... Your use of the word "defeat" and a list of every conservative celebrity-pundit, combined with the assertion that Jon Stewart is "different", are indicative of a deeper problem, both with a wide swath of the American chattering class, and with you specifically. I have never thought about "defeating" a pundit. That's just not the way that some of us think. Clearly, though, you do. That's what I'm trying to bring to your attention.
Jon Stewart's line has been some variant of "I'm just a comedian!" when he's called on something. I'd say that every one of the right-leaning guys you want to "defeat" has more integrity than that.
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Boy, those who are railing against Michael Savage are displaying their ignorance proudly. Listen to him for 1-2 weeks, and if you think he's an "idiot" or a "liberal," then I'll respect your opinion.
He's absolutely the best conservative host on radio, blowing away all the wimpy corporate hosts like Hannity (Vanity to Savage), Limbaugh (The Golfer), and everyone else. That he criticizes false conservatives makes nonlisteners believe him to be liberal.
I await Savage every evening with relish and am devastated when he's gone. Listen and you'll be hooked forever, I'm serious.
He's absolutely the best conservative host on radio, blowing away all the wimpy corporate hosts like Hannity (Vanity to Savage), Limbaugh (The Golfer), and everyone else. That he criticizes false conservatives makes nonlisteners believe him to be liberal.
I await Savage every evening with relish and am devastated when he's gone. Listen and you'll be hooked forever, I'm serious.
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oldFred
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It's obvious the OP doesn't know or listen to Michael Savage. If you knew his persona, you wouldn't have posted this.
I listen to him occasionally, he baits the listeners to get reactions. You have obviously taken the bait.
Therefore I am gonna have to RAISE THE B.S. flag on this post. Case closed.
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I listen to him occasionally, he baits the listeners to get reactions. You have obviously taken the bait.
Therefore I am gonna have to RAISE THE B.S. flag on this post. Case closed.
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NWGunner
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Let's debate the merits of Savage being a RKBA advocate, not his other political positions. The reason to boycott him via THR would be a judgment on where he stands on 2A issues. Based on his previous broadcasts, I think it's fair to say that the linked commentary is simply a tool to energize his audience and cause them to examine their own views.
That being said, I've got to stick up for Seattle here. I was born and raised in Seattle and have lived here most of my life. It would be fair to say I identify with a significant amount of planks on the conservative party platform. Not every Seattlite has the same political views - just like THR community.
Anyone remember when Mayor Nickels had a town hall meeting about banning CCW in all Seattle Public parks/venues? The turnout against Nickels was 9-to-1 in favor of keeping current CCW laws.
I wouldn't characterize Seattle as a bastion of conservatism, but we are not all political automatons.
We don't have to pick sides on which talk show host is smarter/better/conservative/liberal. Let's try and re-focus on what we all hold to be important: Preserving our 2A rights and advancing the cause of gun ownership in our country.
Again, based on what I know of Savage - he seems to be on our side. A boycott of his show and advertising is uncalled for on the basis of RKBA. Now, if you disagree with the other things he says, great. But those peripheral disagreements don't necessarily relate to the subject at hand.
That being said, I've got to stick up for Seattle here. I was born and raised in Seattle and have lived here most of my life. It would be fair to say I identify with a significant amount of planks on the conservative party platform. Not every Seattlite has the same political views - just like THR community.
Anyone remember when Mayor Nickels had a town hall meeting about banning CCW in all Seattle Public parks/venues? The turnout against Nickels was 9-to-1 in favor of keeping current CCW laws.
I wouldn't characterize Seattle as a bastion of conservatism, but we are not all political automatons.
We don't have to pick sides on which talk show host is smarter/better/conservative/liberal. Let's try and re-focus on what we all hold to be important: Preserving our 2A rights and advancing the cause of gun ownership in our country.
Again, based on what I know of Savage - he seems to be on our side. A boycott of his show and advertising is uncalled for on the basis of RKBA. Now, if you disagree with the other things he says, great. But those peripheral disagreements don't necessarily relate to the subject at hand.
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Only Savage himself ranks Savage along with Limbaugh, Levin, Beck, et al.
He draws huge numbers but the demographics are not top-tier, and he frequently borders on lunacy. He is extremely bitter about the other talk show hosts and can't refer to any of them without insults and name-calling.
He draws huge numbers but the demographics are not top-tier, and he frequently borders on lunacy. He is extremely bitter about the other talk show hosts and can't refer to any of them without insults and name-calling.
I get the distinct impression that many high roaders don't get the subtlety and depth of Savage. Frightening how opinions, and strong ones too, are formed based on little to no exposure to the object of the scorn.
Without intending to sound elitist, I'd posit that the vast majority of the misinformed but highly opinioned posters have little formal education, which stresses withholding judgment until you do the research.
Savage doesn't talk much about RTKB because it doesn't have broad appeal to his audience, he's said as much. He does own firearms and said he was thinking about having a benefit show for the NRA.
Bordering on lunacy? Because you've only had exposure to bland, metrosexual members of the media, not the fire-breathing relic of America's virile halcyon past, Michael Savage. He's admitted as a youth being liberal, but he grew out of it.
Without intending to sound elitist, I'd posit that the vast majority of the misinformed but highly opinioned posters have little formal education, which stresses withholding judgment until you do the research.
Savage doesn't talk much about RTKB because it doesn't have broad appeal to his audience, he's said as much. He does own firearms and said he was thinking about having a benefit show for the NRA.
Bordering on lunacy? Because you've only had exposure to bland, metrosexual members of the media, not the fire-breathing relic of America's virile halcyon past, Michael Savage. He's admitted as a youth being liberal, but he grew out of it.
Jasper, I like how you make it seem as if anyone disagrees with you that they must be uneducated. Fantastic.
Savage is the kind of guy who loves the smell of his own feces. I have listened to several of his shows and I just end up getting irritated with his side rants.
The last episode I listened to he was requesting that the restaurants he eats at should contact the show or he wouldn't eat there again. Savage coupled that with him talking about Cuban music. Very deep and thought provoking.
Savage is the kind of guy who loves the smell of his own feces. I have listened to several of his shows and I just end up getting irritated with his side rants.
The last episode I listened to he was requesting that the restaurants he eats at should contact the show or he wouldn't eat there again. Savage coupled that with him talking about Cuban music.
Very deep and thought provoking.
evan price
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Savage is TROLLING the air waves looking for someone to call him up and debate. Happens all the time in talk radio. If you get some buzz started, people will tell other people and get them listening. Then the advertisers hit their mark.
Seriously, we're on the internet and don't understand why trolls do what they do?
If he had a radio show that said basically, "Yup, I agree with everyone who calls in." it wouldn't be that much fun, now would it?
By the way, only people who have an innate fear of their masculinity own guns.
Care to debate?
(For the impaired, /sarcasm)
Seriously, we're on the internet and don't understand why trolls do what they do?
If he had a radio show that said basically, "Yup, I agree with everyone who calls in." it wouldn't be that much fun, now would it?
By the way, only people who have an innate fear of their masculinity own guns.
Care to debate?
(For the impaired, /sarcasm)
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