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Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by MacAR, Oct 8, 2019.

  1. Nature Boy

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    I tried to warn him. Told the OP on the first page to trade it back to the guy he got it from before he caught the sickness. Unfortunately it was too late.

    Plus, there are too many enablers around here. You guys know who you are!! (....wait, I think I might be one of them....;) )
     
  2. clone

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    I have a buffalo classic as well as a shorter h&r 45/70. Easily my favorite rifles out of all the rifles I own. Fun to shoot, and to reload for.
     
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  3. 792mauser

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    Good looking rifle!
     
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  4. Hokkmike

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    And yet one more request for photos...thanks.

    You did fine.
     
  5. Old Stumpy

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    With all due respect, I hear this argument all of the time, and it isn't true in all cases.
    I started reloading way back in 1972 when I began shooting center-fire handguns at an outdoor range. After I went out with 100 rounds of .45 Colt and a New Service revolver and shot all of my ammo I was well satisfied. No desire to shoot more .45 Colt that day.
    But, I did quickly realize that factory ammo was expensive and that I could not afford to do this on a regular basis, especially if I acquired more guns.
    I also quickly learned that I could reload cartridges for about 1/2 the cost of factory, even with factory bullets. So, I acquired first a Lee Loader, and then an RCBS JR3 press, some powder dippers, and such. Even so, I still only shot 100 rounds of .45 Colt in a session because that was enough to satisfy me.
    I started casting bullets from reclaimed wheel weights and a box of ammo dropped to the cost of the powder and the primers for 50 rounds.
    But, it still made no difference to me. 100 rounds of center-fire pistol was plenty for me for one session. The reduced cost did not increase my desire to shoot more rounds.
    And, when my gun collection expanded it didn't change.
    Sure, I shot more often than I could have afforded to otherwise, but I could produce 5 boxes of cast bullet reloads for the cost of one box of factory ammo. So, I was ahead of he game.
    Cartridge cases can last through 5 to 10 reloads depending on the cartridge. Straight wall cases can last longer.
    And, as a traditional .45-70 shooter, the OP wants to shoot cast bullets for accuracy, and won't be going through buckets of ammo every session like CAS shooters or combat sports shooters.
    So, all things being equal, reloading should save him some money.
     
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  6. BigBore44

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    Reloading absolutely can save you money if you look at the initial expense as an investment in a hobby. I can load premium ammo that shoots best in my rifles and pistols for half of what I can buy it for. And each time you reload the brass, you take that cost out of the equation.
     
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  7. MacAR

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    You're right Stumpy, I won't be shooting a lot. As a rule, I don't shoot my centerfire rifles very much at all. Usually they just get a 3 shot group before hunting season to check zero and then are fired maybe once or twice afterwards. The H&R may get a bit more use, since it sorta evokes thoughts of the old buffalo hunting days, etc etc. I still won't shoot it much though. Rimfires and small game hunting is my biggest hobby. As a result, the .22's get used quite a bit. I also like to bird hunt with my old shotguns, so they come out often as well. Rifle hunting just sort of takes a back seat, you might say.

    Anyhow, I am very, very grateful to all of you for your responses. I've gained a wealth of knowledge, and have put together a list of supplies and tools that I need to start reloading for the "howitzer", as it's been christened. I'm also going to start a new thread regarding factory ammo for the 45-70, so I can get some ideas about what would be best to use until I can get the reloading stuff around.

    Thanks again, guys.

    Mac
     
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  8. Old Stumpy

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    OP, I would consider the Lee Challenger press and not the lowest price Lee press for your list. Though you might load only a few boxes at a time, I think that you would want to upgrade to the Challenger or another press fairly soon.
     
  9. Eddie Booth

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    The lee turret press is a good deal, too. I load 45-70 on mine without any issues at all. It can really speed things up if you decide to branch out to other calibers. If you leave the linkage out, you can use it like a single stage press.
     
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  10. Trashyshoots

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    I have a brass henry single shot 45-70 that I am in love with.

    Thats a 5 shot group @ 100 yards. And the furthest right hit was my first shot before I clicked my scope over. Super impressed with it.
     

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  11. Eddietruett

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    That's some fine shooting
     
  12. sequins

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    The beauty of a nice big bore like the 45-70 is that one shot feels REALLY good. You can easily savor the experience of a single box of ammunition. It takes a magazine of 9mm ammo to achieve what one 44 does for me, and it's similar with 223 vs. rifle calibers that start with a 4. Allllll the big game rifles are just incredible to shoot, just incredible.

    I think you made a good trade. 30-30 is an excellent round but compared to 45-70? I'm ready to hunt the Buffalo!
     
  13. Walks

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    Since you have a single shot, there won't be any need to buy Hornady ammo. Their cases are shorter then trim to length. That's to fit the specialty bullets they make for Lever Action Rifle Magazines.

    It'll just mess you up.

    I cast a Lyman #457193 out of COWW over IMR3031 or IMR4198.

    Works great in My Handi-Rifle.

    Have fun. It just gets better.
     
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  14. MacAR

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    Nice shooting! I'd certainly be impressed with it, too.

    And speaking of shooting, I got to stretch the BC out this weekend. Saturday, I went to a gun show and picked up a box of 405 grn trapdoor loads. I only bought them for the brass, but figured they'd be fun to shoot. And they didn't disappoint. I didn't put them on paper, but I was hitting a basketball sized rock at 250 yards with each shot once I found the right hold. Sights are set for the 300 grn bullets it appears, as the 405's required quite a bit of holdover. But, holding about a foot above the center of the rock gave me center hits with about 5 shots in a baseball sized circle, best I could tell. Certainly good enough for hunting in my opinion. Recoil was negligible with the light loads, so the 20 rounds I bought didn't last long. Before I ran out of ammo, I tried 3 or 4 shots on another rock at about 450 yards. The last shot was a hit, albeit low left. By that time the light was going and I was having trouble picking up my front sight. Next time I go out with it, I'll grab a couple of the 300 grn Winchesters and see what they can do on my 18" gong. I'm fairly confident that I can hit a deer out to 200 right now, but unfortunately one never came within range this weekend so I could find out.

    Thanks again to all who replied!

    Mac
     
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  15. Walks

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    If your thinking of 300grn Factory JHP's, they might just mess up your gong.
     
  16. Trashyshoots

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  17. 792mauser

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    I concur with the hornady 325 grainers denting the ever loving *#[email protected] outta my steel targets a couple of weeks ago. Got so used to shooting em with lead. Bought a box of random partial boxes at a yard sale and loaded up my Marlin. ~20 rounds later I go up to reset the steel and my 8" mild plate is now VERY concave shaped.

    Those Hornady loads got some serious oomph to em.
     
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  18. Trashyshoots

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    Scopes with graded drops are a must with 4570 imo. 30moa drop @ 400 yards is hilarious.
     
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