Quantcast
  1. Upgrade efforts paused for now. Thanks for your patience. More details in the thread in Tech Support for those who are interested.
    Dismiss Notice

BP loading of small cartridges

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by damoc, Apr 21, 2014.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. damoc

    damoc Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2008
    Messages:
    647
    Location:
    NV
    Just a quick question about early .22 rimfire and probably .32 cal as well
    did they use a ffffg BP granulation?
     
  2. Jim Watson

    Jim Watson Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    32,984
    Location:
    Florence, Alabama
    Modern experimenters are using Swiss 4f or the even finer Null-B in. .22lr.
    Old ammo has a fine grain but I haven't seen where anybody has pulled enough to do a screen analysis.
    .32 usually gets 3f.
     
  3. Busyhands94

    Busyhands94 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2011
    Messages:
    2,371
    Location:
    California, the "you can't have it" State.
    I've loaded .22's with BP before, I used both FFFG and FFFFG. I've also loaded .32 S$W, .32 S&W Long and .32-20 with BP. For .32's I use FFFG.
     
  4. zimmerstutzen

    zimmerstutzen Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2009
    Messages:
    1,074
    Location:
    banks of the Susquehanna
    I never had the opportunity to break down any old rim fire cartridges. I have broken down some old 43 Remington black powder cartridges and some 45-70 govt loads from the 1890's. Both appeared loaded with something that seemed a bit more fine than 2fg but not as fine as 3 fg.

    I have loaded BPCR from 25-21 Stevens to 577 Snider. My daughter loads 3fg in 38 S&W for use in her small martini rifle and her groups are fantastic (better than mine)

    As for old rim fire manufacture, the big outfits could and probably did order custom powder granulations for their uses. There may well have been something between 3fg and not as fine as 4fg that they used in small cartridges.
     
  5. damoc

    damoc Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2008
    Messages:
    647
    Location:
    NV
    Thanks for the replies

    I guess the consensus is that BP in a .22 was probably finer grain than fffg
    that would make sense when comparing with modern small pistol powders
    the smaller the cartridge the faster the burn of the powder.
     
  6. Malamute

    Malamute Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2004
    Messages:
    3,170
    Location:
    Rocky Mts
    Last edited: Apr 22, 2014
  7. Pete D.

    Pete D. Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2010
    Messages:
    2,582
    martini

    Zimmer:
    You have a Cadet rifle chambered for the .38 S&W.....what a neat idea!. Where did you get the barrel? Who did the work?
    I ask because I have a damaged .310 Cadet barrel on the shelf that would probably be useful if rebored to .360" or so.
    Sorry for the hijack... but I had to ask.
    Pete
     
  8. zimmerstutzen

    zimmerstutzen Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2009
    Messages:
    1,074
    Location:
    banks of the Susquehanna
    The cadet rifle is actually chambered for 357 mag, but I have a large lot of 38 s&w components from an auction. Several thousand bullets 400 or so cases.
    .cadets were imported in the 1960s and rechambered for 32-20or rebored to 357. They sold mail order for $12
    Redman's in washington can line the barrel for you.
     
  9. Pete D.

    Pete D. Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2010
    Messages:
    2,582
    Zimmer: thank you,
     
  10. BLU

    BLU Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2012
    Messages:
    325
    Here's a problem... I have a H&R in .32 S&W that accepts .32 S&W Long cartridges. I'm told it's a black powder era revolver, (NO .32 S&W roll stamped on the barrel). My Dad apparently didn't know NOT to use modern smokeless ammo, (the box is only missing 6 rounds-it may not have even been fired!).

    I want to shoot it! I've been into black powder for decades but have never loaded cartridges, always powder-patch-ball shooting. Can I pull these bullets, dump the smokeless powder and replace with FFFg? If so, what's the recipe for mild loads? Are the modern primers okay or do I need to de-cap and reprime those as well.
     
  11. damoc

    damoc Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2008
    Messages:
    647
    Location:
    NV
    yes easy to load with black std recipee is to put enough black in to achieve a small amount of compression.

    those .32 sw "shorts" are a little tricky due to the small size i would only use lead
    bullets myself
     
  12. BLU

    BLU Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2012
    Messages:
    325
    Okay.... I was going to reuse the same lead bullet. I use 12 grains of FFFg for my .36 cal patched lead ball that is 64 grains. What's a good starting point for an un-lubed .32 S&W bullet of 98 grains? 10 grains of powder or 12 like my .36 cal.? I guess I need to research that further on the net huh? Wondering if I should use the same primer once I dump the smokeless powder too.
     
  13. StrawHat

    StrawHat Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2007
    Messages:
    4,967
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    Use however much powder will give you a little compression when you seat the bullet.

    If the primer is good, no reason not to use it.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice