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BP Shotty

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Aaryq, Jul 5, 2008.

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  1. Aaryq

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    Howdy, folks.

    I know next to zilch about BP guns. I want a BP shotty (I'd prefer a SxS). I want it for the sole purpose of being able to chop it down and have some fun with it (I don't know about using it for hunting and I'm pretty sure I'd have better choices for HD than a BP shotty). Could you point me in the right direction as to where to start?
     
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    I dont remember Gen. Cates as a Lieutenant

    But I do remember him as Commondant of the Corps. He is the Commondant when I entered the Corps. He came a long way in 9 years. Lieutenant to four star. Not bad. He was a supporter of the rifleman because he realized their importance in battle. When all the bombing, strafing and the Artillery is lifted, its the rifleman who goes in and does the dirty work.
     
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    Im sorry. Cates was a Colonel in 42. Not a Lieutenant. WWonce was a long time before that. To late to get my error before I sent It. I request forgiveness from all.
     
  4. Reddbecca

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    Well Cabela's sells black powder shotguns in the neighborhood of $800-$1,000.

    Considering the price of the gun itself, and the cost of the gunsmithing needed and the time it'll take, just do yourself a favor, be smart, and buy yourself the howdah pistol for $600.
     
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    Shotty:
    1. A bong's carb. The hole that you cover with your thumb and release when yo' want to suck down the chamber full of chronic smoke.

    2. What illiterate rap fans call a Shotgun.

    3. Also used by almost everyone in multiplayer FPSs.

    4. Calling "Shotty!" on someone, is sort of like calling dibs on someone you'd like to "do" in a sense. Normally used in a manner of joking between friends.

    rcmodel
     
  6. arcticap

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    There's really aren't any newer production doubles that are cheap enough for most folks to consider buying one just to chop it down. There are some older models like CVA's and others that were imported in small numbers in previous decades that are more affordable and could serve that purpose.
    Generally, a person needs to scour gunshops and gunshows for those types of doubles. Sometimes they show up for bid on the internet gun auction sites.
    There's older ones to be found at antique gunshows too.
    I came across a really nice plain, heavy duty 12 gauge in an area gunshop about 2 years ago. It was imported from Australia maybe during the 70's, had musket nipples and was selling for about $225. One of the locks was stiff, but even that was much too nice for me to ever consider cutting it down. Not many of that model ever reached our shores!
    But if you search high and low and find something similar to that, I'll bet that it would make you feel very lucky and content! :)
     
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    That Howdah looks pretty cool...pretty much exactly what I'm looking for. Has anyone shot one? What's it like? Does it still reload like a traditional blackpowder gun? Has anyone used it for anything other than a fun range toy? Fill me in on the Howdah.
     
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    From what I've seen the howdah pistol loads like any other black powder firearm, that being a charge of powder is poured down the barrel followed by a projectile payload. Some people use purely slugs, some use buckshot. Not sure it matters really.

    As for how it shoots and how it handles, I dunno, best I've seen is the videos on youtube.
     
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    Aayrq brings up an interesting point. In Ohio you can saw off a shotgun but the barrel must be at least 18" long and the overall length must be at least 28". If you cut the gun any shorter it will be illegal. There must be an exception for muzzleloaders to allow one to own a Howdah. If anyone knows the law let's hear from them.
     
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    I thought the shotgun overall length restriction was 26".

    The National Firearms Act and CFR 27 are the laws that regulate length of firearms, but the GCA of '68 defines antiques and replicas of antiques that shoot ammunition no longer available (essentially modern smokeless powder ammo) as not being firearms. That would seem to be the path that applies to the Howdah.
     
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    Thanks Mykeal, I wasn't sure if it was 26 or 28".
    You're probably right about the GCA of '68. It would probably be paranoid of me to think that guns like the Howdah could draw the attention of the gun control types. So far we muzzleloaders and our guns have come under their radar.
     
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    I wish. Unfortunately, New York is considering a muzzleloader restriction. Forum member Rachen can tell you more.
     
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    aaryq,
    I found an ad for a decent looking 12 gauge double barrel shottie from a private seller. It's a Dixie Gun Works model and the asking price is $350. Maybe you can negotiate. The seller lists his ebay references.
    I'll send you the info. by PM. :)

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    It's because of the definitions of "antique firearm" in the Gun Control Act (GCA):

    and the National Firearms Act (NFA):

    You need to check your state's laws as well...
     
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    It is listed as a pistol not a shotgun. That is probility how it gets by as it is.
     
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    Ok, I get the definition, but that's only part of the story. It doesn't say anything about the length requirement not applying to an 'antique' firearm.
     
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    There we go, that's better. Thanks.
     
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