Brady Campaign submits gun control strategy to Obama transition team

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so untrained users often do not know when a gun is loaded."
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All guns are always loaded, always!

Besides, if people treat it any differently from when they think it's loaded vs. when they think it's not, it's an accident waiting to happen.
I can see it now.

"Quit pointing that at me!" "It's okay, the chamber indicator says it's not loaded" "BOOM!".
 
Can someone please, please tell me where they get their info that they post as fact? I have never anywhere heard of over 4000 Florida CWP being revoked.
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The answer is in my post on page 1, #8
 
Tommygun you misread Tamlin

He is saying their will always be a black market for guns for criminals but not all criminals will buy their guns there.:)
 
The only reason they want paper on all private sales is to have a record of where that gun is. How else are they going to know who to confiscate it from?
 
I believe in doing everything we can to make it as hard as a possible for a felon or a mentally incompetent individual from acquring a firearm. However, if you are a law-abiding citizen (that's not you domestic violence practicer) you should not have to jump through hoops and pay large amounts in admin. fees or 'excise taxes'. I don't believe in waiting periods, or stupid 1-gun-a-month rules. If you pass the NICS check (and are not on the terrorist watch list) you should be able to own a M16A4, a full auto uzi, a AT4 - whatever you want. I am a firm believer in the 2A. and I truly believe that it is possible to enjoy firearm ownership with background checks for all firearm transactions. Goodnight everyone.
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No, you're not. Not at all.

Considering the fact that one of the purposes of RKBA is to keep a tyrannical government in check or from getting that way in the first place, what sense does it make to have the very entity in need of control be the one that regulates and oversees the primary tool for keeping said entity in check?

Kinda like letting the fox guard the henhouse. See my sig.

All gun laws (pro control) passed since the late 60s have had exactly what effect on violent crime?

This may not apply to you, but here's something that always makes me chuckle. Folks who rail against government excess like Gitmo (so they say), wiretapping, etc, oftentimes are some of the most vocal antigunners out there. They rail about an abusive government that they don't trust, but they'd be more than happy to let that same government disarm the populace.
Strange, isn't it?
 
I believe in doing everything we can to make it as hard as a possible for a felon or a mentally incompetent individual from acquring a firearm. However, if you are a law-abiding citizen (that's not you domestic violence practicer) you should not have to jump through hoops and pay large amounts in admin. fees or 'excise taxes'. I don't believe in waiting periods, or stupid 1-gun-a-month rules. If you pass the NICS check (and are not on the terrorist watch list) you should be able to own a M16A4, a full auto uzi, a AT4 - whatever you want. I am a firm believer in the 2A. and I truly believe that it is possible to enjoy firearm ownership with background checks for all firearm transactions. Goodnight everyone.
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I disagree, especially with using the terror watch list as a criteria. It's a list based on "classified" circumstantial evidence. ANYONE and EVERYONE can be put on the list with no right to appeal that decision. I think it's mere use to restrict any citizen's Rights is wrong. Watch lists are for "watching" not restricting.
 
From the Brday PDF:

Firearm homicide is the leading cause of death for black men ages 15-34, and is the leading cause of death for all African-Americans 15-24.2 Homicide represents the second-leading cause of death for Hispanics between the ages of 15 and 24, 76% of which are firearm related
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I wonder how many of those deaths are gang-related?

I suspect a lot. I'm betting that that's your root cause right there, or at least a whole lot closer to it than dem bad ol guns.
 
76% of which are firearm related
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What does that mean?

I wonder how many of those deaths are gang-related?
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If you outlawed civilian ownership of guns completely, these guys would still have guns, and might even learn how to make their own guns. If not, knife crime would quickly turn in to the leading cause of death.
 
ARLover said:
Tommygun{sic} you misread Tamlin

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He is saying their will always be a black market for guns for criminals but not all criminals will buy their guns there.
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Maybe not all criminals buy guns at gunshows NOW, but if they close the "gunshow loophole" then criminals will alter their acquisition patterns.

The assumption the antigunners make is that criminals buy guns at gunshows from private parties (a FFL holder still has to do a NICS check) or from FTF sales elsewhere. They assume that if you stop this, the criminals who acquire guns this way will simply not be able to get guns.
This is not true. First of all, very few criminals get guns this way, second of all, even if they can't get guns that way, they'll simply get them another way.
There's no such thing as a "zero sum game" here. Gun laws may cause criminals to change their behaviour patterns, but they won't stop them from being criminals.
I don't know if Tamlin gets this or not, but I sure as heck know that politicians who rant on and on and on about "gun show loopholes" surely do NOT get it. They really aren't trying to. It isn't REALLY about gun control, it's about people control.
 
I already need a double dose of blood pressure medicine after reading some of the BS in this thread from allegedly "pro gun" folks.
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I second the blood pressure medicine, pass the bottle, please.
 
My personal white paper has only one entry:

1. Mayors who conduct gun shop stings outside of their own jurisdiction shall be boiled in oil, and served with fava beans and a nice Chianti.

Otherwise, there is not one thing on the Brady list I agree with. None. Nada. Sure, training, like eating roughage and exercising, is a good thing, but I wouldn't want the Colon Police forcing any of it on me.

Of course, adding "C" to BATFE brings it one letter closer to it's true Little Orphan Annie Secret Decoder Ring meaning.
 
ATF’s analysis of guns traced to crime showed that assault weapons “are preferred by criminals over law abiding citizens eight to one
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how do they get a number like this? its total crap what do you go around and ask people are you a criminal? do u like the ak-47 for crimes?

military use, such as .50 caliber sniper rifles that have the range and power to bring down aircraft. High-capacity ammunition magazines and armor-piercing bullets should be similarly restricted.
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wait wait wait.......when was the last time someone in america shotdown a jet with a .50bmg? and id like to see a figure of the number of crimes that they used armour piercing bullets i bet its like 1 percent or so i mean its not an item that wallmart stock and most gun shops dont stock it

Handguns should also include feasible childproof safety features that prevent guns from being fired by an unauthorized user. Several models currently on the market have internal locking mechanisms, and technology is being created that could read the palm print or fingerprint of its owner.
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congrats you have just trippled the price of a handgun and made 95% of hand guns illegal say god bye to those luger and 1911s that were used the wars and now collectors items

and also they want to strengthen the atf last time i checked the reason they dont give the atf alot of power is waco, ruby ridge and others

i dont trust the atf and never have i personally thing they should be shutdown

this is crazy guys we cant allow any of this to effect and take away alot of our second ammendment rights

when it says shall not be infringed thats just what it says and means not except when they look mean or except when they are powerful infact i dont see except anywhere in there
 
yeah i know im saying that for the people that think it s a good thing for the "safety features" they wouldnt be happy if a gun cost $200,000 since some people would still be able to buy them

its total crap you have essentially taken away the right of average people to have guns and protect themselves people ahve a hard enough time affording stuff now imagine what the gun industry would do if they couldnt sell already designed handguns they would be bankrupt there goes a half a million jobs atleast

adding "C" to BATFE
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explain?
 
I'm new to a lot of these issues and after reading all your posts what appears me to be the best arguments here 'are the frogs in the pot' and people control not gun control.We've got to give no ground to these people and realize it is a societal problem and deal with the criminals not law abiding gun owners. I agree that no one 'needs' a .50 cal but let them ban those and they'll move on down until they get to .17 cal. Like England, once they have your guns they'll go after your knives.
 
I get the impression that the politicians in England actually have some respect for hunters and target shooters, but if the gun vote was as small here as it it there, our politicians wouldn't.
 
Just a quick note to those who think I'm completely off base: My postings were my thoughts on rational ways to address the problem of criminals and the mentally ill from being able to purchase guns, and the problem of making sure some 21 year old kid who has never handled a gun in his life knows how to do so safely before he walks out the store with it. I thought I was clear that nothing of what I proposed would ever keep guns totally out of the hands of criminals - they will get them however they can get them - I'm merely thinking of ways of how to make it as hard as possible. If you are not a prohibited possessor, what do you care if the seller of the gun makes sure you are not a prohibited possessor before selling you the gun? What I have commented on has nothing to do with taking away any rights, nor does it pertain to "registration for later confiscation." I'm addressing some serious problems - the problems that the antis are the most concerned about (criminals having guns, and gun safety). For those of you taking your blood pressure medication at these posts, are you unwilling, or unable, to come up with any thoughts to solving these problems yourselves and prefer to simply complain about the way things are now, or do you refuse to believe that these are legitimate problems in the first place? If you think there's a problem, try to solve it. Otherwise the Antis will try to solve it for all of us. I'm merely trying to start some discussion.
 
Tamlin:

The solution is to lock up those who show they can't be trusted to function in society. Permanently if need be.

Freedom comes with risks. I'll accept those risks if the guv'mint stays out of my (balding) hair.

You are talking about regulating actions that are passive - ownership and possession of inanimate objects. Those activities in and of themselves are harmless. You should punish overt actions severely. Shooting a rifle into the air at 4th of July ought to carry a kick in the arse type penalty. Owning the rifle or buying it shouldn't even be looked at.

Of course, I think there should be no serial numbers on firearms, unless the manufacturer wants them on their for warranty purposes.
 
I stole this quote for my FB page:

"Gun Control - A theory espoused by some monumentally stupid people; who claim to believe, against all logic and common sense, that a violent predator who ignores the laws prohibiting them from robbing, raping, kidnapping, torturing and killing their fellow human beings will obey a law telling them that they cannot own a gun." --Unknown

I always think that pretty well sums it up...
 
That argument was shot down long ago. If you buy a gun in Arizona that was manufactured in Connecticut, that is considered interstate commerce. Even if you buy a gun in Connecticut that was manufactured in Connecticut, the courts have said that the gun was INTENDED for interstate commerce - hence they are able to be regulated.
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On new gun sales, you're absolutely correct. But in regard to used guns, you're way off the mark. It has long been held that once a product is sold to the end consumer, the scope of interstate commerce regulation ends. So once a gun is owned by a private individual, rather than a commercial entity such as a manufacturer, distributor, or dealer, it is no longer interstate commerce.

Because the Gun Control Act of 1968 forbids private sales between individuals of different states, private transfers are not legally allowed to be anything but intrastate commerce.
 
I read the entire thing and amazed at the disparity between the things I research and rely on as a pro RTKBA guy. I am starting to understand why some people who aren't like us would fall for some of this BS. I wonder if it would be posible to bring a suite against Brady, HCI, etc for frawd.
 
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