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BREAKING NEWS -- Terror Alert Level To Be Raised To HIGH

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  1. David

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    Just reported on CNN, that Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge will raise the terror alert level to HIGH for the Washington DC area.

    I sometimes wonder if these terror alert levels have to do more with politics rather than a real threat?

    :confused: :eek: :confused:

    What do you think?
     
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  2. griz

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    I haven't heard about this latest one.
    But when we are told their is credible unspecified information of a threat, it is just before a bad media release, and the threat level stays where it was, well yes, I think polotics is rearing its ugly head.
     
  3. David

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    Tom Ridge will hold a news conference today (Sunday August 1) at 2PM Eastern Time -- we should find out more at that time.

    :eek: :uhoh: :eek:
     
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    This may be related to the car bombings of Christian churches in Baghdad and Mosul, as well as the reports coming out of media mouths of 'imminet attacks' on buisnesses and the like in New York City. Such media mouths are also talking in grave tones of the 14:00 Eastern press conferance by Tom Ridge.
     
  5. David

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    UPDATE from Bloomberg.com:

    Washington to Go on `Orange' Terror Alert, CNN Says (Update1)
    Aug. 1 (Bloomberg) -- The Department of Homeland Security will announce today that it is putting Washington on a higher terrorism risk status, or ``orange'' alert, joining New York, according to CNN.

    The agency has announced a 2 p.m. Washington time press conference with Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, and it wouldn't confirm the CNN report.

    Senator Joe Lieberman, a Connecticut Democrat, said on CNN that such a change would be a way to say to terrorists, ``You're not going to surprise us like you did on Sept. 11.''

    The New York Police Department said earlier today that it has received intelligence reports that al-Qaeda, the terrorist group that attacked the World Trade Center, ``continues to target commercial and financial institutions, as well as international organizations.''
    ******
    :uhoh: :eek: :uhoh:
     
  6. rick_reno

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    Study: Fear shapes voters' views

    Politics? They wouldn't do that - would they?

    http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/07/30/campaign.fear.reut/index.html

    Study: Fear shapes voters' views
    Responses to candidates differ after thinking about tragedy

    Friday, July 30, 2004 Posted: 12:27 PM EDT (1627 GMT)

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- President George W. Bush may be tapping into solid human psychology when he invokes the September 11 attacks while campaigning for the next election, U.S. researchers said on Thursday.

    Talking about death can raise people's need for psychological security, the researchers report in studies to be published in the December issue of the journal Psychological Science and the September issue of the Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin.

    "There are people all over who are claiming every time Bush is in trouble he generates fear by declaring an imminent threat," said Sheldon Solomon of Skidmore College in Saratoga Springs, New York, who worked on the study.

    "We are saying this is psychologically useful," said Solomon.

    Jeff Greenberg, a professor of psychology at the University of Arizona in Tucson, said generating fear was a common tactic.

    "A lot of leaders gain their appeal by helping people feel they are heroic, particularly in a fight against evil," Greenberg said in a telephone interview from Hawaii, where he presented the findings to a meeting of the American Psychological Association.

    "Sometimes that may be the right thing to do. But it is a psychological approach, particularly when death is close to peoples' consciousness."

    For their first study, Solomon, Greenberg and colleagues asked students to think about either their own death or a neutral topic.

    They then read the campaign statements of three hypothetical candidates for governor, each with a different leadership style. One was charismatic, said Solomon.

    "That was a person who declared our country to be great and the people in it to be special," Solomon, who worked on the study, said in a telephone interview.

    The others were task-oriented -- focusing on the job to be done -- or relationship-oriented -- with a "let's get it done together" style, Solomon said.
    Fearing doom, choosing charisma

    The students who thought about death were much more likely to choose the charismatic leader, they found. Only four out of about 100 chose that imaginary leader when thinking about exams, but 30 did after thinking about death.

    Greenberg, Solomon and colleagues then decided to test the idea further and set up four separate studies at different universities.

    "In one we asked half the people to think about the September 11 attacks, or to think about watching TV," Solomon said. "What we found was staggering."

    When asked to think about television, the 100 or so volunteers did not approve of Bush or his policies in Iraq. But when asked to think about Sept. 11 first and then asked about their attitudes to Bush, another 100 volunteers had very different reactions.

    "They had a very strong approval of President Bush and his policy in Iraq," Solomon said.

    Solomon, a social psychologist who specializes in terrorism, said it was very rare for a person's opinions to differ so strongly depending on the situation.

    Another study focused directly on Bush and his Democratic challenger, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry.

    The volunteers were aged from 18 into their 50s and described themselves as ranging from liberal to deeply conservative. No matter what a person's political conviction, thinking about death made them tend to favor Bush, Solomon said. Otherwise, they preferred Kerry.

    "I think this should concern anybody," Solomon said. "If I was speaking lightly, I would say that people in their, quote, right minds, unquote, don't care much for President Bush and his policies in Iraq."

    He wants voters to be aware of psychological pressures and how they are used.

    "If people are aware that thinking about death makes them act differently, then they don't act differently," Solomon said. Solomon says he personally opposes Bush but describes himself as a political independent who could vote Republican.
     
  7. Harry Tuttle

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    gee, i better get my photo ID badge ready for tomorrow to show Mz. Wachenhut at the parking garage. Never mind that she knows me and my car. When they elevate the threat level, my garage requires photo ID. If my ID is still in my laptop case in my trunk, i have to retrieve it. My photo drivers licence won't do. Its gotta be my company ID badge. Maybe i will photoshop Osama's pix onto a fake today. At the distance they verify the badge, i'm sure i will be fine.

    2+2=5
     
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    http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040801_723.html
    Anyone else notice a pattern here? :rolleyes:

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  9. El Tejon

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    Why do it now when the attacks are 2 months away?:confused:
     
  10. Hack

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    to get the bounce down
     
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    Politics you say?

    Ok.
    Let's say nothing and then get blamed and investigated
    by the other party for not saying anything about it.
    Both JK and MM would tend to agree with that policy!
     
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    I dont know, I doubt its politics. However, when Ridge came out and basicly said absolutly nothing the day after Kerry announced his running mate...that just seemed way to fishy to be a coincidence.
     
  13. rock jock

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    Nothing like a terror alert to unite the whiners and the tinfoil beanie crowd.
     
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    Sorry you guys, as a retired CID agent who just got off a successful assignment with the FBI I have to say that I really disagree with your sarcasm. I think one of the reasons that the U S is relatively easy to hit is the amount of sarcasm and disbelief in our officials that has plauged our country since Vietnam. The various news medias, left and right, have contributed greatly on this.

    I can't tell about my last assignment because it involves organized crime but I can say that it involved multiple agencies whth people from every mainstream political belief and they worked closely together to protect the public.

    I don't think for a minute that this is politically motivated. Look at most of you, the political benefit is non existant and probably determental.

    I carry a Sig for a real reason.

    Not only do I expect the U S to be hit, but I expect it to be relatively coordinated, New York is a target, but may be a cutout, a diversion. Personally I expect San Diego, San Francisco, and Phoenix to be hit.

    The Naval Yard and MCRD in San Diego, San Francisco is too easy from cells in Berkley, and Phoenix has a Hughes, Intel, and Motorola easy to get to off I-10 and a known terror cell in Tucson. (At least 10,000 Arab students attended the U of A, 65-to present)
     
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    Threefeathers,

    Us getting hit again is pretty much what I expect to happen sooner or later.
    Cynical? Ok, please explain to me how it helps to make and keep it easy to enter this country illegally?
    Then maybe I can better understand Dubya.
     
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    I live in Arizona exactly 3 miles from the border. My assistant wrestling coach is a border patrol agent, his group has been expanded by 500% in the past 2 years. Ft. Huachuca is now flying RPVs along the border looking for illegals. They are using it for training so there are many more than have been reported. When I cam back from Rocky Point three weeks ago it toon 2 hours to get across the border, every one is checked. The border is long and one of the problems are the liberal dems and greens who are backing an open border. Until 911 the libs were supporting open border activists. Bill Clinton made no effort to strenghten the border. Bush has done much. Understand that as a VN vet I am considering supporting Kerry only because this is the last chance to get one of us as President. But I will balance this by supporting Randy Graff for Congress.
     
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    I believe what Threefeathers means is: as long as large segments of the public do not take terror alerts seriously, the terrorists willl have a very easy time of it.

    Of course, taking them seriously is only the first step. People don't want to think about it, but civilians are the last line of defense against terror attacks, as Israel has shown. (Would-be terrorists are captured or killed by civillians there on a regular basis.) Here, most people just want to bury their heads in the sand. The government may be at condition orange, but most of the country is at condition white. People need to be more active about noticing danger signs.

    And yes, I know that it is tempting for a government official to try to whip up a fervor over this, but realistically such manipulation is counterproductive (as this thread shows), and Tom Ridge has bigger fish to fry.

    Sadly, I suspect that the message will only sink in once terror attacks come several times a month. I'm only surprised that it's taken the terrorists this long, and hints I get from my uncle the cop suggest that several attacks have already been intercepted.
     
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    the bounce was down before the announcement. was 4 then 3 after this announcement who knows.
     
  19. rock jock

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    oh please let it be san francisco
     
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    I'm surprised that San Fran hasn't been hit, but it would probably expose the rabid anti American sentiments in Berkley. I agree though, if a bomb were to go off in Berkley would I really care.
     
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    A big, fat 'SO WHAT?'

    If I have a nickle for every time this guy has 'cried-wolf', I would be retired

    Gotta admit, you had me going. I thought we were going to conditon 'red'

    Beyond it is only condition 'tin-foil-hat'

    Bainxoveritandout
     
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    Well of course more attacks are coming. They've been conditioning us on the television and in the news everyday for years. The government admits that they're coming. It's just sickening. And so when the next terrorist attack comes they will claim they need more money and need to take more liberties away to "win their fight".

    The globalists are gonna need another terrorist attack to get us behind invading North Korea and Iran, Saudi Arabia and Syria, ect.. Bush needs another terrorist attack to beat Kerry at the polls and implement Patriot Act 2 among other things.
     
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    Not to derail the topic, but...

    threefeathers wrote:

    I'm not getting it... ???
     
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    I work at a nuclear facility. Last week it was reported that the increased "chatter" included two states, one of them mine. I don't see how the reminder hurts, and frankly I appreciate them.
     
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