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Breech loading Sharps

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by TomADC, Oct 30, 2012.

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  1. TomADC

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    Just got this in the mail looks like it will go nicely with my 45-70 Sharps.
    Does any body have one? do you shoot it? What about bullet lube?

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  2. BADUNAME30

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    That's one beautifuly handsome rifle Tom.
    Sure wish one o' them was in my gun budget.
    Is the patch box true to it ?
     
  3. 72coupe

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    I check my mail box every day but there is never anything that good in it.
     
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    Now that ya meantion it Coupe.
    I bet Tom's gotta lonnnnger mail box.
    That's it,i'm gonna stretch my mail box ;)
     
  5. TomADC

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    Nope just need a large diameter hole saw!! and a shelf.
    Not sure about the patch box, my cartridge Sharps doesn't have one.
     
  6. Cosmoline

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    Is that a '63?
     
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    Hahaha...heck, i'm jist gonna add a gun rack to mine.:D
     
  8. TomADC

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    I believe is a I.A.B. 1863 Sporting rifle.
     
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    Hello, TomADC. What caliber is it? I have a Shilo 1863 military model in .45.
    You will want to use a very soft B.P. type lube..SPG, Bore Butter, Crisco/beeswax, etc.
     
  10. TomADC

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    Its a .54 cal I have about a 100 Sharps style bullets that came with it, they are from Dixie. Do you lube the bullet just before you shoot it, like a mini ball?
     
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    I haven't shot mine in a few years, but I make up paper ctgs. for it. I found if I make ctg. long enough to fit chamber, flush with breech, it's more accurate than having B.B. cut end off ctg. I use tissue paper treated with Saltpeter for complete burn up in chamber.
     
  12. 4v50 Gary

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    SPG lube.
     
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    Nice rifle! I have an early 54 cal. Shiloh '63. I use Charlie Hahn's tubes and dip the bullet of the completed cartridge in a melted mix of bore butter and beeswax. The paper cutter Sharps are fun to shoot.
     
  15. TomADC

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    I emailed Charlie but haven't heard back from him yet, trying to buy a few hundred of them, but the only other place I see these tubes is Shiloh and their shipping is more then the tubes.
    Any other place sell these?
     
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    Va27 what do you think of a 50/50 mix of beeswax and alox as a lube?
     
  17. TomADC

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    VA27 as in Royal Maces?
     
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    So are those Charlie's tubes re-useable?

    Also, not having ever seen one of these breech loading paper cartridge guns, I gather there's a "chamber" and that the bullet coming into contact with the rifling is what stops the round from moving more forward?

    The odd thing is that I was just reading through a copy of "Single Shot Rifles and Actions" by Frank de Haas. More specifically how these paper cutter Sharps rifles used a few different methods of providing an O ring gas seal to avoid the blowby around the block joint. But nothing much was said about how the cartridges are chambered other than the back of the paper being sliced off.
     
  19. Kaeto

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    No the tubes are not reusable.
     
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    In that case I think I'd rather find a home grown solution instead of having to mail away for the tubes. Not that they are not a good idea. I just don't like having to rely on component sources when there are easy enough home made options.
     
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    The good thing about the tubes is they are more sturdy than a normal paper cartridge.
     
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    Plankowner. Went on the first two cruises before getting out in '70. ADJ2, Power Plants, and Checker.

    Charlie's tubes are handy as a pocket on a shirt, and way faster than rolling your own.

    Kaeto- Never tried it with alox, but I think it would make the BP fouling harder rather than softer.

    BCRider- The tubes burn up/get blown out the bore on firing. The real advantage in them is in consistency. When you roll your own and cut off the tail, the powder shifts, not unlike small charges of powder in a large cartridge case, with the resulting variations in velocity. Another plus is reduced time at the bench means more time shooting. You're correct. The bullet is stopped by the rifling. If your tube is the right length it fills the chamber without sticking out to be cut off.

    Another point; the new CCI Reenactor musket caps don't work very well in my Sharps. Try to find the RWS caps.
     
  23. TomADC

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    I use a modified Emmerts Lube for my BP 45-70 loads, I think I could use it on these loads, it keeps the fouling soft.


    I was a ADJ also until they dropped the J & R .
     
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    I got a pound of the Beeswax/Alox coming I guess I'll use it on the rounds I cast for my Webley.
     
  25. TomADC

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    Buck Emmert's BP lube
    1750 grains Beeswax
    1368 grains Crisco Shortening (White)
    328 grains Crisco or Wesson Vegatable Oil

    This recipe makes 1/2 pound lubricant. If you tray lube as I do, you'll probably
    want to double the recipe.
    I also now substitute Anhydrous lanolin for the vegatable oil.

    I use a postal scale I picked up.
     
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