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British 303

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by TX_Shooter, Jan 4, 2007.

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  1. TX_Shooter

    TX_Shooter Member

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    I just got my British .303 serviced by a local gun smith. Over 13 years have I shot this bad boy. Since it's been this long, I am thinking about making it a long range rifle. Anyone here know what kind of accuracy I can get with it? Yards wise? Thanks
     
  2. Chipperman

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    SMLE's have varied accuracy. Some shoot very well, others are broad side of barn accurate.

    The only way to know for sure is to take it out for a drive.
     
  3. armoredman

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    What is it? No1, No4, No5? The first two can give great accuracy, and have been used as hunting rifles down on the Dark Continent for years, (not reccomended for really BIG stuff, of course!), but the No5 Jungle Carbine, or the erzatz clones thereof, are not known for fantastic long range accuracy.

    I like my No4Mk1*, and it does OK, can get some 1 inch groups at 100 yard with my handloads. I haven't tried it at real long range - don't have a place to do that!
     
  4. News Shooter

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    Anything past 25 yards

    is long distance for me.

    I love my Jungle Carbine.
     
  5. dfaugh

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    IF it's in good shape (expecially the muzzle, which is where you see alot of wear from steel cleaning rods)...They are probably one of the most accurate milsurp shooters. many will shoot around MOA with good ammo.
     
  6. Essex County

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    Personaly, I wouldn't invest much until I shot it off a bench with a variety of loads. Some time and effort is involved, but it might pay off big time on a dollar basis...Essex
     
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    The Lee Enfield is usually more than capable of long range. I shot a No4 Mk1 at 600 yards and got all the targets on a 16 inch spread with iron sights much to my sheer amazement. I think I may just about scope one and upgrade it to a No4 Mk1(T) status and see what I get.
     
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    :D Countdown to MJ's picture posting... 3... 2...
     
  9. DougW

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    Knowing which Enfield you have would help. I am sorry to say that my #5 is as accurate as any of ny #4's. All my .303's are more capable of great accuracy than I am. Working up a proper hand load has helped. As others have stated, crown and bore condition can affect accuracy. Head space can too, but don't go crazy on that one.
     
  10. MJ

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    OK mustanger98

    I have seen women shoot SMLE's & #4's at 400 & 600 yards. At Bisley they mix them right in with the boys and have a go. What are you expecting? .5 MOA at 1000 yrds? You can get a great deal from a decent #4 and HXP ammo with a little practice.

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    This didn't take me but just a few seconds, but I'm thinking those are L42A1 parts. First clue is the mag. Then the swivels, particularly the one that goes just ahead of the mag.
     
  12. MJ

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    .308 conversion for #4

    Going on this 1954 #4Mk2 bareled action.
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  13. hagar

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    The .303 is probably the only caliber that will shoot smaller groups in moa at longer range. Whether by design or accident, slower bullets shoot higher at short range, and at longer range they begin to converge, and the groups get smaller. They used to shoot 303's at over 2000 yards, and supposedly none of the modern calibers can compete with a 303 at that range. It ruled long range shooting for a long time before the 308 began to be competitive. A standard 303 shooting standard milsurp will by far outshoot a 308 shooting milsurp bullets at 1000 yards.
     
  14. MJ

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    it's called whip

    I can't quote the laws of it but the Brits say the receiver flexes and over 300 yards the shots start to lay down. You tend to get a 8"X16" vertical dispersion at long rang that stay constant way out there. The guys that grew up with this know how to use it well.


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  15. BLACK-N-TAN

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    mines fairly good with the milsurp stuff, but really shines with new factory loads. I haven't been able to find a good deal on surplus .303 ammo for a while, anybody have a good source? The last batch I ordered about half of them had a pretty bad shot delay, kinda freaky, took about .5 of a second from pin drop to ignition:uhoh:
     
  16. MJ

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    Roll your own

    You can get started with an RCBS Junior set in one caliber for $150. Shop the auctions for equipment to seve even more. You won't save on the cost of ammo but the pleasure and accurat ammo more that make up for it. Graf has good bullets and brass.

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    MJ

    I really like your set-up with the scope. Is that off-set at all ? Any issues with cartridge ejection ?
     
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    They are centerd over the bore

    Done by Holland & Holland during WW2 but this one is a 1941 pre H&H by Enfield.
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    What sort of 303 it?

    Were're still in the dark TXShooter. No1s, generally ordinary, No4s can be made to sing and are still used at long range shoots in England (I personally think there is lot of much better stuff available for this), no5s? My dad threw one away and got a No1 off a dead guy once, he didn't like it. The brass didn't like my dad when they came to see how the new experimental rifle went as well.:D
     
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    Wow!! Did not know that there were a lot of Brit 303 fans here.

    Well heck, I got mine back today and plan to hit the range tomorrow. BTW, the ammo I got were Federals some called SHOK, any good?

    Anyways, I need some assistance. I lost my clip back in the 90's and would like to know which one I need and were I can find another one, just like the post above mine. Here are some shots of my 303. It is little modified when it was my grandpa's

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    Poor Enfield.:( Thought about returning her to original?:)
    Look on the left side of the reciever, there should be some lettering there. I wopuld bet it's a Number 4, and any Number 4 magazine will fit. I got my Promag spare on close out for $9 some time ago, but I think Numrich still stocks originals for $25 or so.
     
  22. TX_Shooter

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    Here some of the missing clip area:

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  23. mustanger98

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    "Poor Enfield" nothin'. If the Enfields I've been dealing with are any indication, that's a great deer rifle. Hey, it was his Grandpa's rifle. My Grandpa left me one too... he'd cut the forward wood back in front of the barrel band and it looks like he knew what he had in mind before he did it. Sentimental value being what it is, I'd say leave it like it is and enjoy it as "Grandpa's rifle".

    TX_Shooter, the only thing I can think of that might make it better is you may want a cheek pad so you can get a proper cheek weld. The drop of that stock was geared towards using the issue irons. I wouldn't change the stock though.
     
  24. TX_Shooter

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    armoredman, I don't think its poor at all. Fits me fine and I do enjoy the shorter barrel mod. This gun was my grand pa rifle, which passed away in 1997. He shot plenty of deer with this "poor ENFIELD" and which I am not sure if I will ever hunt with it, but I bet ya bottom dolla I can and will reach my goal, which I plan to do with it in the near future. Hey either way, there are plenty of 303's here that are modded. So I will take this as a compliment :cool:

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    Mustanger. Amen to ya man!! Why be the same as the other old 303's, right? ;)

    heck I never plan to sale it.... so... ya know.

    OH as for Sentimental value thing. I also had a old crossman air rifle called a PUMPMASTER 760, which was bought and manufacture back in 1989, and the air seals were shot. That pumpmaster was bought for me on my bday back in 1989 by my grandpa. So anyways the other day, I called Crossman and ordered new parts. That way this gun will be handed to my 9year old boy. Yes, they still make the pumpmaster 760, and could of just got a new one. But why I didn't? .....heh sentimental value baby!!

    Love my old pa, ever more then my daddy. ;)
     
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    Speaking of "why be the same as all the other old .303's", I just wound up with a mostly-stripped barreled receiver... this one's dated 1912 and has the slot for the magazine cut-off. I think I'm gonna build a sporter on it.:cool:

    I also have a No.4Mk2 with the micrometer sight. It's in almost as issued condition. I say almost because I refinished the stock and used 6-7 coats of TruOil and it really brought the grain out. It turned out real purty.:D Shoots good too. Funny thing about this one is I ordered it from AIM Surplus as what they called a "Shooter Special" they had priced lower saying it'd be in a lot rougher shape than a collector deal they usually advertised. You should'a seen it when I unwrapped that greasy mess on the dealer's counter. The shop owner's wife told me later that at that point she thought I'd lost my mind... she said that being impressed seeing it all cleaned up and how nice it turned out.:D :D :D

    Thinking of Crossman Pumpmaster 760's, I wonder if they cut the speed down on those like they did with the Red Ryder. Even without the sentimental value, it seems like the older examples are nearly always better. A case in point would be my Remington 521-T; it was built between 1947 and 1954 and has only been in my family since I bought it last winter. Some of my range buddies got to see it and one of them was observing that nobody "goes-to-town" bragging on new guns anymore; it's always an old gun somebody's bragging on.
     
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