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British Gun and Drug laws strike again!

Discussion in 'Legal' started by MicroBalrog, Jul 20, 2003.

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  1. MicroBalrog

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    Welcome to the Soviet Socialist Republic of England and Wales.
     
  2. c_yeager

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    And to think, thats the island that gave birth to the great men that founded THIS nation. sad indeed.
     
  3. riverdog

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    Most of the good geneic material left the island for North America and Australia before the 20th Century.
     
  4. Preacherman

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    Riverdog, a lot of the best of the remaining genetic material served - and died - as leaders in the First and Second World Wars. Two whole generations of the best and bravest were virtually wiped out. The results are as we now see them... :(
     
  5. agricola

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    if the "Great Genetic Material" went anywhere, it went to Australia, and not to a place where a great deal of the population is eating itself to death.
     
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    Looks like agricola is starting to lash out. If the average body fat percentage of a nation has anything to do with its "quality" then shoulndt Ethiopia be the best place in the world?
     
  7. agricola

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    sorry, i mustnt have read those three preceding posts as the acme of wisdom that they clearly were and mistook them for the comments of fools :rolleyes:
     
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    SO, you really have nothing to say about the article then do you?
     
  9. WonderNine

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    agricola, you clearly have no interest in firearms as all you do is post in Legal and Political. What's the point of your posting on this board?
     
  10. HankB

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    So at last you admit that residents of a penal colony are better genetically than those left behind on your small island! Your honesty is to be commended.

    As for eating ourselves to death, I note that Fergie came here to lose weight. (Making Weight Watchers commercials is probably the closest a Royal - even one by marriage - ever came to honest work.)

    Though I suppose English cooking, bad teeth, and Mad Cows can work to suppress one's appetite . . .
     
  11. agricola

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    wondernine,

    I post here because, frankly, most if not all of the information people base their opinions of the UK on comes from the sewer, and cannot be left unchallenged.

    A large majority of the articles on this board which deal with the UK and the legal system here are so distorted by error, mistruth and outright lies as to demand challenge; when similar articles are posted by antis you find many of you weighing in to point out the obvious mistakes, all I am doing is the same. An example is shown by the Sun article posted, the Pate article from microbalrog, the various Joyce Lee Malcolm / Lott studies that quote / cite Greenwood and yet manage to ignore his central point as well as the more amateur stuff that appears here from time to time.

    This thread is evidence of something else though, the sometimes all-to-evident bias against the UK from people who are, frankly, capable of better conversation than this pseudoscientific nonsense. I mean, what group of idiots can honestly think of themselves as genetically superior to other members of the human race? Preacherman especially, you should know better.

    c_yeager,

    a man had cannabis and a handgun in his home. Police were tipped off, got a warrant and raided the home and recovered cannabis and gun. man pleads guilty. what more is there to say? bleating from people who have never and probably will never come here?

    actually, i do have a point. its amazing how much of the defence's mitigation can make it into "fact" for a newspaper article.
     
  12. MicroBalrog

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    The police [and through them, society], used violence to stop someone from posessing a weapon less potent than a crossbow and a drug less addictive than tobacco. What more there's to say?


    The UK is the best example to date that drug and gun laws are useless.
     
  13. agricola

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    micro,

    id agree that drug laws are probably self-defeating and cause far more problems that they solve; gun laws are another question. oh, and the gun in question was a converted starting pistol capable of firing real rounds (making it more dangerous than a crossbow), please read your cut and pastes.
     
  14. MicroBalrog

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    I once read that, however, AFAIK most "converted starting pistols" are converted to fire .22 or .32 cartridges. I'd rather be shot with a crossbow any day.
     
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    WonderNine, just think of agricola as a mascot. Anyway, what's the fun in having a discussion if everybody agrees on everything? And he is right about a lot of the information posted here about the UK and other places. It is often less than informative.

    I disagree with agricola's views on gun control, but that doesn't make him an idjit. Neither does the fact that he is British or European. And the way some of you guys talk about Europeans in general and Brits in particular can sometimes be a bit tiring. You're not covering up for an inferiority complex, are you? :D

    On topic: I think a "commando raid" in a situation like this is way out of line. BUT: The guy was convicted of possession of an illegal drug and an illegal firearm. He was given a suspended sentence. How many million Americans are serving long prison terms for possession of cannabis? And you can argue all you want that converting a starter gun to fire live ammo shouldn't be illegal, but until the law is changed, it is. If you were caught with, say an unregistered homemade suppressor (which isn't even a firearm) in the US, would you get away with a suspended sentence? BTW, FWIW I think it's easier to own a suppressed gun (rifle) in Britain than it is in the US...
     
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    Wondernine:

    Here's one reason I disagree with these laws:

    I believe that violence, except in self-defense, begets violence.

    And oppression begets oppression.

    Once you decide that the government should go out and put people in prison for possessing cannabis, you authorised the government to use violence against cannabis possessors, real or suspected. And then suddenly people start being getting beaten up and shot by the cops during no-knock raids, because the violence escalates.

    Once you decide that the government should go out and put people in prison for illegal possession of suppressor parts or "conversion kits", you authorised the government to use violence against illegal weapon possessors, real or suspected. And then kittens get stomped, people get beaten up, and eventually, somebody shoots Sammy Weaver.

    The logical historical conclusion of victimless-crime laws is not elimination of cannabis/guns/whatever. It's violence in all forms against those who violate them - or are suspected of doing so.

    The logical conclusion of drug laws is military operations in Chechnya and Central America. It's thousand of people killed each year. It's Rainbow farm.

    The logical conclusion of gun laws is a raid like in this story. It's Waco. Ruby Ridge. The Altalena.

    Sorry for being incoherent here...
     
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    Again Agricola demonstrates his ignorance and bias. The rates of heart disease and obesity are higher in Scotland, and England than they are in the USA.

    Amazing when one considers that a significant portion of the population there are sheeple.

     
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    Rarely does a day pass when I fail to feel grateful to our forefathers for having rebelled against the English and founded a republic.

    I think England would have been much happier as a Nazi subject state: no decisions to make, no honor to uphold, no traditions to bear in mind: simple work, work, work.
     
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    A significant portion of the House of Windsor (i.e, Edward VIII et al.) certainly thought so.
     
  20. agricola

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    rrader,

    pot? black? kettle?
     
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    Uh-oh, pot and a 'converted' starter pistol!:rolleyes:

    I bet there a farmers in the UK who have diesel fuel and fertilizer, and maybe even alcohol too! Better go round 'em up!
     
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    maybe the next time that G.W.B. asks that 'Nazi state' for some help with his latest foreign adventure we should Just Say No. We're obviously not worthy to appear on the same battlefield as freedom-loving Americans.
     
  24. agricola

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    shouldnt that be just say nein?
     
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    agricola: Again I have to ask....

    With the tone of your previous posts & the passion with which you write, what DO you do for a living?

    Professional criminal?...

    Lawyer?...

    Or do you have another "personal bias" dog in this hunt?...
     
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