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Broken brand new 10/22 worth fixing, or throw away?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by D.B. Cooper, Oct 7, 2018.

  1. entropy

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    Double feeds generally have one of two causes, or a combination of both; bad mag, or bad disconnector. I would label your mags, a piece of tape on the base with numbers is fine for testing,then test fire. If you only have one mag, get another one, then test. If you have malfunctions with only one mag and not the other, get rid of it. If it happens using both mags, on to the trigger group. Disassemble/reassemble as mentioned by F-111 John, test with both mags; If it still malfunctions, you have two choices; Send it to Ruger, or put a different trigger group in. I recommend the BX25, as mentioned, it is an upgrade and should solve your problem. I still recommend the hold-open and extended mag release I mentioned earlier.
    I hope your friend can fix it for you.
     
  2. George P

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    Glad they were able to do that for you; I had the 28 gauge from the first go-round; the one that was SUPPOSED to be flawless. 3 trips back, everything replaced, nothing fixed; gun went away
     
  3. George P

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    Did not Ruger and Dan Wesson send you a prepaid shipping label? I have used both Fedex and UPS and they have NEVER asked for a copy of a FFL.
     
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    Neither on both.....!!! The Ruger (41 Mag) was shooting high and to the left. The rear sight was already cranked over to the max. They corrected the problem, re-blued the Blackhawk. The Dan Wesson, also 41 Mag, needed a new hammer, shims and springs.

    When I sent the Rem 700 in for the trigger recall. No questions were asked. I assumed they had the FFL for Remington on file.
     
  5. MistWolf

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    I assume you mean one is halfway in the chamber and the other at an angle in the action.

    If both are live rounds, that's called a double feed. It's the result of a bad magazine.

    If one is live and the other is empty, you likely have a problem with your extractor. It may also be the ejector.
     
  6. fpgt72

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    When it comes to 10/22 I am a big troll, I really do not care for them....but I was trying to be funny.

    Really if this thing is new just send it back, anything made by man can get goofed up, I would not try a "field fix" or anything even if you are going to mod the heck out of the thing....it should work out of the box.

    You do show much more class then the last guy that had a bum Mod 60.....and we do know if you replaced ruger with marlin this thread would have gone a different way with all the 10/22 fanboi's coming out of the closet.
     
  7. D.B. Cooper

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    Me neither. This experience hasn't endeared me to them.

    Then again, this is classic "autoloader" to me.
     
  8. D.B. Cooper

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    Both unfired. One in the bolt face (like it was loaded, didn't fire and then partially extracted), and one jammed at an angle in the chamber.
     
  9. MosinT53Hunter

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    Hopefully you will get it to run properly. I have had my fair share of the marlin 60's and the like, (the worse was a Springfield/Stevens that jammed every other round) but my favorite to date 22. has to be the short produced H&K MP5 made by Walther. Heavy, but solid, sexy as all get out. I love it, and very glad I got one before they stopped making them. Its as close as I will ever get to getting a real 9mm MP5, but I couldn't be happier. :)
     
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  10. toivo

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    I haven't dealt with Ruger for warranty service, but I have dealt with SIG. They sent me a FedEx shipping label and a number where I could call FedEx to have the driver pick up the packaged firearm from my house. It was a piece of cake. I would imagine that Ruger could do something similar.
     
  11. MistWolf

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    What you have here is a classic double feed. It occurs when two rounds are released by the magazine. It's a magazine problem.

    When it happens again, mark the magazine so you can throw it away at your earliest convenience, or better yet, toss it down range and shoot it to pieces. Then buy two quality replacements.
     
  12. Maj Dad
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    Let me pipe in here about magazines. I've had my 10-22 since ~1983, and back then, the few 20-25 rd magazines on the market were very iffy. Never had a problem with the factory 10 rd, but some of the others I had to push forward on it to keep the rounds pointed upward, else it would jam most of the time. The newer Ruger 25 rders don't seem to have that problem, but if I want to be sure it feeds, I use the 10 rders. On a side note, I had to replace the barrel a year or so ago - bad 3-4" section of mystery rust & pits mid-bore - and using a new $40 take-off Ruger barrel, R&R was a cakewalk. What wasn't was the repeated FTF and FTE. After dusting off some old Army terms, I re-read the instructions, and I had neglected to make sure the extractor moved freely in the barrel cut. Minute adjustment fixed it all; my point here is that sometimes a millimeter or two can make a big difference...
     
  13. fpgt72

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    After old 10 rounds is enough for anyone ruger passed on the gun did get a boost from factory higher magazines.

    I personally have never used them in my rifle, only 10's....and every one of them...about 5 IIRC, will not feed in that rifle.

    I gave it to a ruger lover here at work, he got tired of hearing me call it a tomato stake and said he would fix it....ok have at it....he took the thing home, with ammo I provided and you know he ran about 100 rounds in the thing with no stoppage....I get it home and bang bang bang click and there is a FTF....ok...bang bang click...FTE...bang...click, would not eject and mashed another round in behind it.

    I think this rifle does not like me....it still sits in the corner of my safe.
     
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  14. Skylerbone

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    I’ve not had a problem with the 2 BX-25 magazines my son runs in his TD, but I’ve yet to try them in my carbine or SS carbine. All the 10-rounders have always worked, every time. Frustrating for sure.

    I have an old Savage that couldn’t string 2 shots together without a jam despite repeated magazine modification. Finally realized someone was using the wrong Savage magazine and now it’s flawless. Honestly if the 10/22 were so horrible there just wouldn’t be so many enthusiasts on boards like this one. Heck RFC was originally created to serve Ruger lovers and branched out from there.
     
  15. fpgt72

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    Personally I think people love it because they can play pretend gunsmith with them so easy.

    You can have them, I have had two....perhaps three, I don't remember now....and none would work worth a damn. I know I bought the second thinking well I just got a lemon...anyone can get a bad one....nope, fool me once.

    A ruger automatic will not enter my home again....now the 77/357 yea.
     
  16. bds

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    D.B. Cooper, do you have feeding issue with different ammo? Even with clean lubed rifle and reliable magazines, I have found certain brand/model of ammo just won't cycle/feed reliably and now I won't buy those ammo.

    BTW, for match shooting, I would suggest verified reliable/higher quality ammo for accuracy (and they are not always the most expensive either) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/eley-tenex-or.833458/#post-10776327

    But if feeding issue is not due to ammo, I think your feeding issue has more to do with your magazine than the actual firearm. The mag follower and spring must be able to push the round high enough to be aligned with the chamber for proper feeding when pushed by the bolt. If mag follower/spring is not reliably doing their job, you will experience feeding issues.

    Also, with regular use, carbon fouling, dirt and sand could be getting into the magazine and they may simply need cleaning to function properly.

    If ammo selection and cleaning of magazines won't address the feeding issue, I would next check to see if I have feeding issue with all the magazines. If not, I would try to isolate the magazines that are giving you feeding issues and try these fixes:

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ruger+10/22+factory+25+round+magazine+issue


    Why? If feeding problem is due to factory magazine, have Ruger replace them under warranty.

    Same experience with my 10/22 in the 80s and now with my 10/22 Take Down.
     
  17. D.B. Cooper

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    They're brand new, factory Ruger magazines. Not sure how you would get any more "quality" than that.
     
  18. D.B. Cooper

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    I saw a youtube video recently that basically said the dimensions of the 25 rd magazine are shorter, front to back, than those of the 10 round magazine. It's not by much, but it's enough to let the magazine rock in the magazine well, and that is all that is needed to change the angle of the next fed round which causes a stoppage. Apparently, you can wrap the magazine with duct tape to close the gap.

    WhenI get the rifle back from the guy I let take it home, and if he doesn't have an epiphany as to why ti won't feed, I'm going to shoot the next league night with only my 10 round magazines and see what happens. Unfortunately, I've already discarded the receipt and the packaging for the magazines, so I'm out the 50 bucks. C'est la vie.
     
  19. bds

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    If the feeding issue turns out to be magazine related, I would still call Ruger customer service.
     
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    Do That! More they hear about the issue the more likely they are to fix it.
     
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  21. bfoosh006

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    The video you mention is correct. The measurements are completely different... enough to cause issues like yours.
    Why Ruger can't make them the same at the inserted "box" portion is beyond me.

    That said, do you have a scope mounted on it ?
    I have seen the screws from the various mounts extend to far into the receiver and bind up the bolt.
     
  22. D.B. Cooper

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    No. I put Tek-Sights on it. (Essentially M16 style front sight with an aperture rear-almost the same sight picture as my Garand.)
     
  23. D.B. Cooper

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    Okay. Well. It's done, done, and done. Guy I let take it home and inspect it replaced the firing pin (factory one was .003" shorter than all of the ones he had on hand). He said the inside was pretty rough, so he polished it up with a dremel and polishing stone

    I shot it Friday and it failed hard again. People who watched me shoot, said it looked as though the bolt is only coming half way back.

    I've now had it jam with: factory 10 and 25 round mags. Butler Creek 25 round mags. Blazer and Federal Auto Match ammo. The gun is just a POS and that's just the way it is.

    So, back to the question of what are my options? (And I have a couple problems to solve.)

    I can try to ship it to Ruger or I can pay a local gunsmith. I don't relish putting any more money into it, but which will be the least bother?

    I can sell it outright and walk away from it. Lesson learned. What would be a fair asking price for this gun with a known issue? Should I strip everything off it (tek sights, 25 rd mags) and sell that stuff separately? How do I deal honestly with prospective buyers, without driving them away? (In other words, who would be stupid enough to buy this thing - at any price?)

    And finally, if I sell it, I'll need to replace it this coming summer, and the question becomes "with what?" The local club where my son shot it (without a single issue) in youth league has set the parameters so tight on what constitutes a "safe" gun that almost everyone shoots a 10/22. (Essentially NO tube fed guns.) But I guess that's a discussion for another day.
     
  24. Captains1911

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    Not really. It’s a good gun out of the box. A trigger job and perhaps a few other inexpensive parts make it a great gun.
     
  25. Skylerbone

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    I guess I’ll change my answer to call Ruger at this point.
     
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