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Discussion in 'Hunting' started by police, Jan 26, 2007.

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  1. police

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    Hi, long time reader.. first time poster. I have a question and found it appropriate to put it in the hunting section instead of any other thread.

    Im going hiking (serious hiking) in alaska. I carry a G21 on the field and I own a kimber custom 10mm. My question is, would that be enough for bear protection? I don't want to buy a sw500 for something I would use every other year but I also don't want to be dinner.

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  2. Alaska Dave

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    During the 5 years that I lived there my hunting partners carried a 10mm, one carried a 45 colt commander and I carried a shortened 44 Redhawk.
     
  3. MCgunner

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    Oh, God, not another one. :what: :rolleyes: :D

    Everyone here says take a slug gun, 12 gauge, Brenneke slugs. Me, I'd want a rifle, but I guess if long guns are too bulky for the hike, I'd settle for a Freedom Arms .454 Casull or maybe a Ruger Alaskan in .460. I think I'd much rather have my .45 Colt blackhawk than a 10mm or any autoloader. I'd load up with 300 grain hot handloads. In fact, I might juice 'em up a little hotter than I currently do now. Not sure it'd matter against a browny, though. Everyone tells me to file the front sight off, but then, I guess I should remove the ejector, too.
     
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    Get a hand grenade.
     
  5. Old Time Hunter

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    Christ!! the eskimos and native indians managed to fend off the brown bears without much more than spears and arrows. I'd fear more for my safety hiking in Central Park NYC or North Ave in Chicago than hiking in Alaska. Just carry a slug gun. Now if you are plan'n on hunting them, use a .444 or larger short barrel levergun, anything else would be sacraligious!
     
  6. MCgunner

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    Most of the people on this board are scared to death of black bears, so stands to reason they'd not enter Alaska in anything less than an Abrams.:D
     
  7. Jimmy Newman

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    I spent a little time in Alaska with several people who've spent a lot of time in the wild areas, and all of them carried pump 12's with slugs and a backup revolver. One of them is a fellow who's been out there for a long time and is among other things a professional summer and winter arctic circle survival trainer. He recommended a .22 pistol or takedown rifle for possible survival situations, but when leading a group always carried a 12ga 870 and a Smith .41 mag. I can only assume he and the people he learned from had some idea what they were doing when they chose 12ga slugs for bear defense.
     
  8. MCgunner

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    You can't be too overgunned for Alaska....

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  9. Bwana John

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    :) :neener: :) :neener: :) :neener: :) :neener: :) :neener:

    For Browny and Whitie I would recomend a clean camp, and a Mod. 870, 18" rifle sighted barrel, and slugs.
     
  10. razorburn

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    I don't know if even a 12 gauge slug will stop a big brownie on the spot. These things have been recorded to 2500 lbs and are tied with the polar bear as the largest land predators on earth. Where territories overlap, they like to hunt and eat black bears for lunch. Having good bear sense is probably the best tactic. Don't use black bear tactics. Don't try to scare it off by looking big and making noise. It won't work. It'll just piss the thing off. If a black bear attacks, most attacks are deterred when people fight them off with hands and feet. If you try to fight a bruin, they'll just intensify their attack. From wiki....

     
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    My first thought to using or needing one of the largest bore revolvers every other year is more than most can say that actually own one. So, I would carry what you got. What are the odds of seeing, or having a very close encounter with either a brown bear or grizzly? It is only your life. Your call.
     
  12. stevelyn

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    This is a subject that has been beaten to death on a bi-weekly basis. Using the search function will likely overwhelm you with information (bs?) overload.:D
     
  13. Art Eatman

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    I'm in accord with stevelyn.

    Howsomever: If a pistol, the largest with which you can fire accurately and rapidly when in a panic situation.

    If a shotgun, at least a 12-gauge wth slugs. It seems to me that a semi-auto with an extended mag would be desirable.

    If a rifle, I'd venture a .338 or .375 H&H.

    The above seems to be the consensus of TFL and THR folks who've posted from Alaska or who have hunted there for the big browns. Since 1998, anyhow, as I've been reading this stuff.

    Me? Never been there, never done that, no tee-shirt.

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  14. mbt2001

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    Carry your Kimber 10mm and a can of the bear spray... Make sure that everyone if the group has one of those cans and spread out if you run into a bear.

    http://www.udap.com/
     
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    Read Kelly & Jones' "Hunting for Handgunners", P. 225.

    I commented about a similar post some time back. Here is a link to that thread. It holds some "significant" information that may serve to keep you off the menu:

    http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=179347&highlight=Larry+Kelly

    To avoid double-posting, I will offer up only the most crucial of that former thread's info: Read Larry Kelly & J.D. Jones' "Hunting for Handgunners", P. 225. Kelly & Jones, attacked by a charging bear...fired a total 16 rounds of .375 H&H, .44 Magnum and .375 J.D.J...into the bear...the bear still ran off."

    I ask you, is teh 10MM sufficient? Food for thought, lest you become food for bear.

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    Good advice, a brown bear is more likely to hurt or kill you and then leave you alone, while a black bear will kill you and eat you.

    Some of the biggest brown bears have been killed with 22lr rifles and 9mm pistols, and the natives have a "varmint calling game" where they wrap themselves in seal furs and thrash around on the ice to attract polar bears, wait till they get close, and then shoot them with itty bitty 243 or 25/06 rifles. A big polar bear will be twice as big as a big brown bear.

    I'd say pack your 10mm with some hot loads, and be aware of what is going on around you, take a whistle along and use that before you go around blind corners. Probably 90% of the bears will move out of your way if they have enough warning, the other 10% is why you take the 10mm along.
     
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    About the same size, although the polars are slightly larger on average. The biggest bear recorded is a brown though. Both are many, many times larger than a black bear.
     
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    Doc I read that myself a few years ago. The bear died after the last shot. And a few days before the problem with that bear Larry Kelly shot one two shots and it didnt get back up and he said the first shot was enough to end the critter. But having never been to Alaska I cant say how hard one might be to keep it on the deck.
     
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    I carry bear spray and a 12GA with slugs. Killing a bear in DLP creates paperwork, pepper spray has been proven effective by wildlife biologists. It's not a substitute for a firearm, but it is a nice option to have. I like a 12GA because you can adapt the load for just about any kind of game you might come across. The southeast brush is thick, father north I'd prefer a 30-06. Yes a 30-06, not some loud expensive heavy gun that destroys small game. I feel a 30-06 loaded with 180-220 grain partition or Barnes MRX loads will work just fine provided you do your part. Also you have the option to use cheap FMJ for small game/practice and 165 grain JSP for deer.
     
  21. Cosmoline

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    The search function is your friend. There are about 1,000 threads on this exact topic.

    Don't get too worked up about it, and don't come up here guns blazing. Your best defense is your ears and what's between them. Carry whatever you're most comfortable with, within reason. If you're not going to be able to have it up and shooting in about two seconds, don't bother with it.
     
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    And multiple hunters and a dog pack. Jeez, even large, dangerous boars can be hunted with knives with a good pack of dogs.

    It was my understanding that polar bears are longer, and browns are heavier.

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    First off, if you are a serious hiker, I hope you are better with your camping setup, more so then your bear caliber choices.

    Excellent caliber choices. I'll be happy to email my real name, and, just will me the G21 and the Kimber custom 10mm to me.

    Bear defense starts at 458 win mag, and goes up. NO handgun is adequate, unless it's this one:
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    570 grain softpoints, in a Howdah, at 2100 fps...:D

    If you want to commit suicide, go right ahead, but, being shredded by razor sharp claws, on paws bigger then your head, is not my idea of a fun way to die.
    On the otherhand, one quick paw to the head, and, your necks gone...

    Watch that movie by the bear guy, that gets eaten in the end, and, imagine a hungry brown going after you...The part where you can hear them die, as the bear eats them is particularly disgusting...:barf: :what:

    I have two words for you: GIANT BEAR SPRAY...
    OK, THREE...
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  24. Cosmoline

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    These threads always degenerate into absurdity.
     
  25. mbt2001

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    yep...

    :rolleyes:
     
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