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Browning Assault Rifle???

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by FlaXD, Dec 2, 2006.

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  1. FlaXD

    FlaXD Member

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    Why wouldn't a BAR (Browning Automatic Rifle) or other "hunting" rifle make a decent "assault" rifle? Especially if fitted with a picatinny rail and an extended mag.
     
  2. Third_Rail

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    No one said they wouldn't. ;)
     
  3. CornCod

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    I have often thought about that very issue Flax. Can they hold up to sustained shooting? Most deer hunters I know put about 20 rounds a year through their rifles. Can civie hunting semi-autos tackle, say 500 to 1000 rounds a year? I don't know either. With all the banning of military-style rifles these days, it might behoove me to get a semi-auto in .308 or 30-06.
     
  4. Highland Ranger

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    Can you get decent capacity mags for a BAR?

    I think they ship with 5 round capacity.

    They are fairly large as well . . . .
     
  5. TexasRifleman

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    Would't the ability to use a high capacity mag pretty much define it as an "assault rifle" in those places anyway?

    You could always get the other BAR though I'm not sure I'd want to try to clear a house with it.

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  6. El Tejon

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    Durability? I have long wanted to get a BAR MkII in .308, slick it out the trigger and action, put a polymer stock and a Vortex on it and see if I cannot get some custom 20 round mags for it and take it to a carbine class just to see if the thing would actually hold up.

    I do have a BAR in .338WM. Loaded with the steel solids, it is more of an anti-thing rifle than an "assault" rifle.:D
     
  7. browningguy

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    It would be eally difficult to put an extended mag on a BAR. I've got a bunch of spares for mine in .270 and 30-06 but still.

    HK used to sell the SLB2000, I have one in '06 and it came with 2/5/10 round mags. Unfortunately trying to get spare 10 rounders is really expensive. It's a carbine length, I think 18" barrel, and came with a long weaver style rail for optics.

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  8. Red Tornado

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    TexasSigMan,
    That's what Clyde Barrow used as his assault rifle. (And what I thought this thread was about initially :eek: ) Apparently he was quite the kitchen table gunsmith and would chop off enough barrel and stock until he thought it was handy enough. Sounds like a handful to me, but reports are that 100 pound Bonnie Parker could handle 'em, too.
    RT
     
  9. rockstar.esq

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    My bet is that the semi auto hunting rifles like the BAR or the Remington 7400 would work just fine. For crying out loud the Ranch rifles actually qualify by that criteria and from the mixed reviews I've read, they'd at least be reliable at most inaccurate. I genuinely think the 7400 design is up to the task and the whole mag availibility thing could be addressed by some enterprising gunsmith.

    I've yet to get a satisfactory answer as to why private gunsmiths don't make magazines. I for one would pay well for an extended magazine for my Beretta 87 target, a replacement mag for my TOZ-78 Tula rifle, and a reliable magazine for my Remington Viper.
     
  10. GRIZ22

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    I have a Remington 7400. The problem with using a rifle like this with a high cap magazine is the barrel is on the light side. If I heat up the barrel by firing 5-6 rounds rapid fire accuracy really goes down the toilet, 5-6" @ 100. Keep shooting it and it gets worst. Let it cool down and it's back to shooting 1 1/2" groups. This may only be unique to my rifle but this has been my observation.

    10 rd mags are on the market for the 7400 try Brownell's, CDNN, or Midway.
     
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  11. FlaXD

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    Browningguy said
    OK, why?

    From El Tejon:
    Hmm, have to remember that for future reference! Where does one get steel solids?
     
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    Fla, Speer used to sell the Grand Slam in .338 but I just checked the website and could not find them.:uhoh: Maybe someone knows of a substitute.
     
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    Even if we relax the definition of an assult rifle to not be full auto we would be dealing with a battle rifle and if you were using .300 win mag a heavy battle rifle.

    Acually the Browning has seen combat in limited numbers. There were some made up with synthetic stock, Heavy barrel and 20 round magazines but these were not used in the battlerifle role. If I remember right they were in the counter sniper role or they might have been used as a sniper rifle.

    I am not sure how many were made but they existed.

    I can't give you the specs but here is what I have off the top of my head.

    Browning semiautomic rifle:
    Caliber 300 Winchester Magnum
    Barrel heavy
    Stock Synthetic
    Magazine 20 rounds
    Bipod
     
  15. jonsidneyb

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    On the term assult rifle and battle rifle even if both are fully automatic.

    The M-16 would be an assult rifle where the M-14 would be a battle rifle.
    FN-Lar would also be a battle rifle.
     
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    Damn, I was going to mention that in the shootout where 'Babyface' died there were 2 police officers and 2 criminals, and the weapons used were BAR, Thompson, Shotguns and Pistols, a true variety. Of course Babyface was shot over a dozen times and still killed his opponents, so perhaps none of the weapons were enough.

    But then I realized that this thread isn't about the BAR.
     
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    I've heard from another member of this forum (I think it was Wildalaska) a long time ago that M1918 BAR magazines used or modified to be used in commercial BARs. I have no idea if this is true or not, however.
     
  18. browningguy

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    Just to take one quick look, on Brownings the magazine actually mounts on the floorplate ( at least on my two). So once you remove the floorplate you are going to have to machine inside the action to get it to hold some type of magazine. And maybe a little bit of geometry and trig to make it feed.

    Maybe not difficult for you, but for most of us it would be something of a chore.
     
  19. RevolvingCylinder

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    I've always thought the same exact thing. I would really like for someone make high-capacity magazines for a semi-auto detachable magazine sporting rifle. Talk about home defense potential. It doesn't even need to be the BAR.
     
  20. Sylvilagus Aquaticus

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    I've been fortunate enough to be on the range (indoors, at that) when TxSIGman had his BAR there. Very impressive item. Kinda makes me want one for myself :D

    I assume you're talking about the commercial Browning BAR sporting rifle, correct? It works just fine. If I recall correctly, there were aftermarket mags made for the Remington 74//74/7600/76 series of self-shuckers and pump rifles, though.

    Their new pump patrol rifle would be a good place to start, too.

    Regards,
    Rabbit.
     
  21. RevolvingCylinder

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    Really? Where can one obtain these?
     
  22. Gewehr98

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    Maybe not as an assault rifle...

    But Uncle Sam did buy several Browning BAR sporting rifles that were rebuilt by ArmsTech into .300 Win Mag Interdiction Rifles, which saw use in Bosnia:

    [​IMG]
     
  23. Sylvilagus Aquaticus

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    I think I've seen them from JG Sales. CDNN probably has them, too. Seems to me Eagle made them.
     
  24. FlaXD

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    It was just a question - not an attack.

    Browningguy: you also mention the need to remove the floorplate on the rifle and modify internals. Why? (Just a question again by a knowldge seeker - not a challenge :) )

    I was imagining just kludging up a deeper magazine to hold more rounds. Maybe trim the baseplate off one, the top off another, weld them together and pop in a bigger spring.

    Today I know 0 about gunsmithing. Tomorrow I'll double that.:uhoh:
     
  25. jonsidneyb

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    The 10 round magazines have been available for the Remington since at least 1982 if not alot before that. For the browning it is going to be more work. The ones for the Browning were not BAR mags but custom built for the military. Any it will not be an assult rifle. It will be an attempt at a battle rifle.
     
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